Bikes on Trenitalia

I want to get a train from either Fossano or Turin to Lyon around the start of summer as the end point of a ride from Chambery via some mountains I want to do. Does anyone know how bike-tolerant the trains are?

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https://ridewithgps.com/routes/42145280

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19:22
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RE 2023
EC 34
TER96574
TER K1+
Torino Porta Susa
Lyon Part Dieu
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Torino Porta Susa

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Milano Centrale
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Regional-Express
Fahrradmitnahme begrenzt möglich , Rollstuhlstellplatz
Betreiber: Trenitalia
11:20
Chivasso

11:38
Santhia

11:49
Vercelli

12:05
Novara

12:17
Magenta

12:33
Rho-Fiera Milano

12:45
Milano Centrale

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13:054h 16min
Milano Centrale

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Domodossola
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Eurocity
Globalpreis (Milano Centrale --> Domodossola)
Betreiber: Trenitalia, SBB
14:16
Stresa

14:48
Domodossola

15:16
Brig
Gl. 1
15:47
Sion
Gl. 3
16:22
Montreux
Gl. 1
16:45
Lausanne
Gl. 7
17:21
Genève
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17:301h 52min
Genève

TER96574
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Lyon Part Dieu
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Train Express Regional
nur 2. Klasse , Nichtraucherzug
Betreiber: SNCF
17:59
Bellegarde(Ain)

18:13
Seyssel-Corbonod

18:25
Culoz

18:57
Amberieu

19:22
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Thanks. I know there ARE trains... the question is how bike friendly.

SNCF is on the "not super friendly" end of the spectrum but manageable. Luxembourg, Belgium and Germany are all easy with bikes in my experience. Italy is an unknown to me.

https://www.cycle-around-europe.de/fahrradmitnahme-im-zug-bus-in-italien/

Germany (...) easy with bikes in my experience

I've only tried regional trains so far. What's your experience with IC and ICE? Do I really need to go the service desk at a station to make a reservation?

Sorry for the....derail.

IC and ICE Trains within Germany you can book a bike space easily online via DB, although the ICE trains don't have that many spaces and they tend to get booked up. I've had trouble booking bikes on international ICE trains though, they've told me to go to the service desk and even then it was difficult.

I've had trouble booking bikes on international ICE trains though

Ah yes this was my mistake, I looked at bringing a bike to the Netherlands and then assumed all ICE travel was very complicated. Good to know!

My plan for international train travel is removing the wheels and carrying it Rinko style in a bag like this:

https://sciconsports.com/eu_de/weiche-fahrradtasche-travel-basic-schwarz-tp007000509

Based on what I've read it's mostly allowed but you run the risk of getting refused if the Schaffner is having a bad day.

I've only ever done local travel within Germany and across back into Luxembourg (so Eifel, Cologne, Koblenz sort of area) to finish rides. That said, any time I've just rolled up and pushed the bike onto the train. No drama with the conductor but generally these have been the slow local trains stopping at every single village with hardly anyone on them.

you run the risk of getting refused if the Schaffner is having a bad day.

You rang?
Just get a bike bag like the one you posted that then packs up into a laptop size bag one when not in use.
Does decathlon still do one? Mine was much cheaper and can't fault it for essentially just being a big tarpaulin to cover a bike.
Alternatively I could borrow you mine, send it by DHL, you in Leipzig right?
Pm in interested in our common mother tongue.

Actually I also have a real rose fahrradkoffer that I found on the street in my street (Neuköööölln).
You'ld need a Spanngurt that I can borrow you as well.
It's for after kollektiv with the Hulsroy trophy?

Btw if it's in a bag/suitcase, you don't need to pay extra; its just seen as luggage

Ah cheers! Don't have any specific plans at the moment. I saw a lot of those Scicons for approx 40 on Kleinanzeigen which was my plan up until now.

There are some Veneto trail and NL touring (liberation divide + green divide) plans shaping up so I might take you up on that offer later this year!

Cool!
I should make time to go touring again..

I've travelled with a fully assembled bike on regional trains in Italy and it was pretty easy. I think technically they can say no if the train is especially busy, but mine never were. There was lots of space. Maybe even a dedicated carriage.

I've also travelled on these trains with a boxed bike, which was obviously no issue either.

The only downside was that these regional trains were a bit slower than the high speed inter city trains on which I think your bike has to be boxed.

I used the Deutsche Bahn app which has a box you can tick for bikes and filters the results accordingly. Not sure if it's still as effective as it was when I used it a while back.

I also once did Paris to Milan on a busy TGV with a boxed bike that ticked all the boxes in terms of what was allowed, but there wasn't really anywhere for it to actually go so the whole journey was mildly stressful.

On Italy I'd check carefully about whether you need a separate ticket for the bike. It's a few years since I have had a bike on Italian trains but used to do it a lot and they had that rule then on faster trains for non-folded bikes. seem to recall that you could buy a single ticket for your bike or a bike ticket for the bike lasting 24 hours. Then once a year in their wild generosity the Italian trains had a special day where you could take your unfolded bike for free. I used to cycle with a local Italian cycling group sometimes that celebrated this mad generosity with a special bike-train ride. But as I say check. Cycling culture somewhat divided in Italy - practical cycling very popular in some areas, in other areas many folk wouldn't be seen dead doing anything practical on a bike in case neighbours thought they had gone down in the world.

In Italy the general rule is you have to book a bike ticket (about 1 euro or something)
Regional trains are a pain to get up in as they have massive stairs, plus you might want to prebook the bike space (there isn't any to be honest, just a matter of being allowed to or not).
For freccia rossa you need to book and there's allocated space and in some regions some sections have free bike carriage depending on where you travel and how