Tubeless Tyres -"saying the same things about tubeless tyres over and over again" Hippy read the first f**king post

£40 is obviously a lot ££ for some rim tape. You could buy 4 rolls and do 8+ wheels yourself for the same price, but I assume it's a central London bike shop, it was always going to be ridiculously expensive. But you get the sealant for free!

You just need to get as little done in bike shops as possible. Thankfully things like rim tape are very simple to do yourself.

£60.00 plus £39.99 for rim tape (no charge for the sealant) is a joke

£30 per wheel for the labour doesn't seem unreasonable, and anyway that's what you agreed to so limited room for complaint there. £39.99 for rim tape for 2 wheels is taking the piss though. I didn't realise Louis Vuitton did rim tape.

I didn't realise Louis Vuitton did rim tape

They don't yet, but it can only be a matter of time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCigpsNSlW0

the rim tape had come loose on one of the wheels...On top of the £60.00 labour charge...charged me £10 for rim tape per wheel so £80.00 in total.

So did they replace the tape on both wheels, even though only one needed it?

£30 per wheel for the labour doesn't seem unreasonable

Compared with your hourly rate, sure 😉 For £30, I'd expect new tape, valves and sealant to be included, and I'd still think the pricing was predatory on the weak-thumbed and tantamount to disability discrimination 🙂

So it would seem. They were a bit vague though. I won’t be returning.

£30 a wheel labour seems a bit much but not as far as tester is making out. Yeah car tyres get done for less but you can essentially make a living doing that all day everyday, the tools are pricey but make the job easy and all the parts are cheap and work together without so many worries about tape and cleaning etc. Sometimes it's an easy job on a bike, sometimes it's an absolute pain in the arse, not everything works together all the time, sometimes people have had a go themselves and you have to fix that, it's also something that's done a lot less often in most bike workshops with less specialist tools with more chance to fuck something delicate up. Tape sounds pricey AF though.

car tyres get done for less

My point was really that if it costs £30 to mount a bike tyre, then what the fuck are we doing thinking this technology is in any way appropriate for anybody outside a professional cycling team? In a workshop setting, with traditional tube tyres, QR wheels and rim brakes, I can change a tube in under 10 minutes with no tools from wheel-on-bike to wheel back on bike and ready to ride.

If the OP can't mount his own tyres, who is driving the service car behind him on every ride?

Niche performance stuff mostly though innit, hopefully it'll work well enough for enough good rides and be repairable without needing to do that job in full again, with plugs if the sealant doesn't do enough and with a fallback tube if desperate.
I can also whack a new tube in for someone in 10 minutes and generally charge them about £9 labour, I'd imagine a tubeless set up that was reasonably normal to take 2 to 3 times that so seems OK, especially with everything mentioned. There's plenty of people who can't change a tube at all and they should be able to ride. Cars generally come with a spare wheel or at least one of those repair kits now but there's a whole industry based on sorting out when people can't fix them themselves either.

I do still use them. They're not perfect but do work for me, I've never gone below 35c though and I always use Schwalbe.

The sealant in my tyres has dried out/evaporated. The bike is a Mason they set up the wheels tubeless and I don't know what brand they used (sent an email but no response yet). The inside of the tyres has hard to remove sealant. Apparently you're not supposed to use different brands of sealant together. What's best method of removing the old sealant?

Turps and lots of rags . Wear gloves to avoid knackering your fingers . Mucoff do a latex spray remover.
https://muc-off.com/collections/tubeless-accessories/products/glue-sealant-remover

Apparently you're not supposed to use different brands of sealant together.

What's the worst that can happen if you do? You get a puncture.

If the old stuff is completely dry I’m pretty sure you’d be fine to just add the wheel tipple of your choosing on top.

rotational weight

Wait till the old stuff rattles... much easier

I only add more sealant to suppress the rattle snake. I’ve no idea what’s going on in there. Never look.

Rear had been a bit dodgy for a while, always losing pressure faster than the front. Seemed to hold during rides as long as I got it up to pressure and immediately started riding.

Until a couple of weeks ago when I left home with 58 psi and got home with a squishy 23 psi.

Can't be dealing with tyre jizz all over the flat so took it to LBS, they cleaned, re-taped with one kind of tape and that didn't hold air, re-taped with DT Swiss tape and mechanic swore it was all kosher, holding 70 psi no probs with Stans race sealant. Woke up to this sorry scene.

Fuck this fucking shit, I'm throwing a tube in.

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Slight buckle in the rim somewhere? Some tyres are just shit though, and don't take kindly to being run with tubes or being refitted

Rim was checked and it's fine, no perceptible buckle. I've resigned myself to running these tyres down with tubes and then switching to either Schwalbe Pro One or Pirelli Cinturato.

Looks like Michelin have discontinued these tyres so there's maybe something to that...

Can I ask what width tubeless rim tape you use?

Road tubeless >>>

I'd probably throw another layer of tape on and see if that helped. No I wouldn't, I'd be running tubes already anyway but if for some reason I wanted to keep this setup, I'd throw another layer on.

So you don't do tubeless for road at all? I am tempted after all this to revert to tubes as all of the things which initially stopped me from converting seem to be true.

I had that with a hope 25 never found a solution ! Dodgy rim maybe . Ask hope customer service they may know.

Nope. Tubeless for gravel and MTB where the tyre sizes are large and thus pressures low.