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  • pretending that a tiny battery is going to save a polluting SUV with an ICE is a joke.

    You’re right that EVs are comfortably bestest for the flowers over their likely lifetime.

    But they don’t work well for everyone yet, folk without a driveway, folk without £25k to spend, folk who do regular trips beyond the range of an EV.

    I don’t think PHEVs are being marketed as anything other than a sensible compromise while the EV charging infrastructure gets itself together. Which they really, really are.

    And, again, EVs are available as SUVs and PHEVs are available as small cars. The heavy SUV vs light car discussion is separate.

  • Don’t PHEVs need to be plugged in though, like on a driveway?

    Totally agree that infrastructure needs to be improved all around but if someone doesn’t have a driveway, PHEV is an even worse choice. No way they’re going out of their way to charge a tiny battery at a station when they could spend 2 mins at a petrol station.

    As for SUV vs light being a different discussion; I disagree. PHEV tech is being used to greenwash massive vehicles (look at the RR sport PHEV etc). Pathetic range, horribly larger ICE and lovely big tax discounts.

  • The only reason anyone buys an EV really is tax avoidance. Avoiding fuel duty, VAT on fuel, P11D hammering etc
    There isn't a single EV at RRP that isn't inferior at actual car stuff than the equivalent RRP oil based juice equivalent.

  • People without somewhere to charge their PHEV won’t get a PHEV. That would be daft.

    My point is that EVs are just as guilty of being too big and bling. Teslas S, X and Y are obscenely large, unnecessarily accelerative and massive statements of wealth in exactly the same way Range Rovers are. Audi E-trons. BMW iX. There are loads. It’s not propulsion method, it’s all cars getting too big, too heavy, too dangerous. The Rivian weighs over 3 tonnes, I can’t think of a PHEV that weighs that much, it’s 600kg heavier than the RR PHEV. The electric Hummer weighs over 4000kg, unless you’re in your 40s you need a special license to drive one. It’s madness.

    I don’t think PHEVs are any bigger or heavier than others.

    ETA - The Tesla X is longer, wider and heavier than the current Range Rover.

    TLDR: Get a 1 litre Micra.

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