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  • I see I've triggered a few PHEV owners in this thread in the last 24 hours.

    There are a few news reports and studies, including this US one from the end of last year that suggest two things:

    1. People aren't charging their PHEV at all or as much as they should be to come anywhere close to the claimed emissions figures
    2. Fuel consumption (and therefore emissions) are much higher in real life for PHEV than the stated emission per mile anyway

    It's also worth noting that calculations for emissions for fuel consumed do not consider environmental cost of extracting, transporting, refining, transporting again, storage and delivery of fuel over electricity which, even when created through the burning of fossil fuels, is far better for the environment.

    Sure there are people on this thread who own super edge case, no longer for sale, hybrid oddities or who charge every day but there are also loads of people who bought a 330e or an X5 hybrid on their company scheme because of the massively lower company car tax who haven't charged them once in their life.

    Even if they do, the range claims are clearly false, with that Guardian article that started this discussed yesterday showing the BMW tested as spewing out 3x more carbon on average than claimed.

    Finally, the vast majority of hybrids are also large vehicles. Toyota make a few small ones but most are large SUVs which only exacerbates the problem.

    Con. Job.

  • I don't think getting a plug in hybrid to use the electric range is particularly edge case. Sure there's probably people cruising around in a company PHEV Merc that have never been plugged in but if you're spending your own money on it and all you do is motorway driving why wouldn't they just buy a mild hybrid?

  • I'm not advocating buying a diesel or whatever instead. I'm saying that EVs (the thread we're in) are better and PHEV / mild hybrid are greenwashing nonsense.

    Before the next person jumps in - of course having a teleporting device to get from one place to the next would be greener than an EV or getting the non-existent train or walking backwards etc...

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