Jordan Peterson

That’s obviously not the point.

are you talking about the well-documented fact that Israel aggressively defends its image in the press by any means possible whenever anybody with a platform criticises its acts against Palestinian people?

Obviously not. But well done for steering a remark about anti-Jewish racism, round to a debate about the actions of a specific government.

Here's a thread showing what some of our Labour councillors think.
https://twitter.com/Steve_Cooke/status/1108918061057392640

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That is indeed unacceptable, but it would be a stretch to say that these guys were inspired and emboldened by Corbyn's ideas, unlike the Peterson fan on the last page.

In any case this seems like the right thread to catalogue the insane shit his followers believe, but I'll add a #notallpetersonfans tag to the next one just for you.

https://myheartwillgoonandsoonandsoon.blogspot.com/p/reading-zizek-where-to-start.html

Where’s the Peter Jordanson thread?

https://youtu.be/buD2RM0xChM

Thanks this was hilarious :)

Robert Evans sticking the boot into this intellectually dishonest prick over two exciting episodes.

co-host is annoying.

https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9mZWVkcy5tZWdhcGhvbmUuZm0vYmVoaW5kdGhlYmFzdGFyZHM/episode/NWM1M2I2OGMtOGE1YS0xMWVhLTkwMmUtYTc3N2MzODY2MGVj?hl=en-GB&ved=2ahUKEwjfuICZ0crsAhXRVBUIHV_OCe0QieUEegQIDhAL&ep=6

didn't realise there was a thread for this fucking turd of a man
funny how all the devils advocate arguments that could be used 4 years ago in this thread have gone out of the window nowadays, this man is not only a grifter but actually insane (and honestly very dangerous)

If you feel like being enraged for the next 3 hours:
https://youtu.be/hSNWkRw53Jo

and this video is 6 months old, the crazy has only gone and continued since then

I don't think it's accidental that in the (brilliant) game Disco Elysium, the character 'George, the cryptofascist' sounds almost exactly like Peterson.

I've lost count of the number of times I've heard him speak approvingly of Hitler in the bullshitty, dishonest, and underhand "say what you like about him, he wanted what was best for his country" kind of vein.

Did he really just try to debunk climate change with the devastating power of semantics??

Great vid tho, thanks

He used to be interesting to listen to, it’s good to have clever people challenge your views. There was often the odd grimace when he said something awful, but mainly I was all like ‘yes, I can definitely see why you think that, but I disagree, have you thought about…’

He’s more recently just gone full awful. Like he can’t be bothered with engaging with counter opinions any more and his guests seem to just be people he agrees with.

I guess he’s tired of trying reasoned discussion in a world where most people just shout at each other. Or his mask has slipped. Or a bit of both.

Or possibly post his Bennies&Beef diet induced coma he's not playing with a full deck anymore.

He is raking the money in, more than he could ever have imagined. It's all a grift now.

Or he realises it's much easier to monetise to the echo chamber.

He is raking the money in, more than he could ever have imagined.

This can be a terrible trap, however.

I guess he’s tired of trying reasoned discussion in a world where most people just shout at each other. Or his mask has slipped. Or a bit of both.

I think it's more he's giving up trying to give convoluted justifications for why misogyny is cool etc.

Recently saw him ranting on Rogan about the Tavistock clinic.

Simple fact checking his first statement would have been prudent

“They shut the clinic down”
It should have had a “Jamie pull that up” moment revealing that it’s still a functioning and important NHS mental health clinic . He the bolloxed on about their gender reassignments and threw out a load of total misinformation and lies.

Then he went off about Paul Ehrlich, inspired bullshit. He was right to identify Paul Ehrlich as bullshit, but probably not to use the example of a college professor who swerved wildly away from his area of expertise into areas he knew little about in order to make outlandish proclamations in return for money.

Finished that vid, the main two takeaways are that if you vomit any old shite with enough forceful confidence you will fool people, and he is clearly in need of some sort of therapy himself

How does a person get to the position he's adopted? I think in his old self-help guides he offered basically neutral to mildly helpful advice for people who don't really face significant (e.g. systemic) problems.

That would be fine I guess, but faced with the prospect of anyone who faces problems that can't be solved through individual correction, rather than say "Well, that's OK, your problems aren't in the scope of what I advised about and you need a different set of solutions" he appears to have been unable to reckon with the non-universality of his ideas, and decided that the problem was not that his ten rules for whatever were not applicable in every case, but that if they didn't work it was because the person was not trying hard enough, or lying.

He's moved into constructing an unfalsifiable position, and anyone who disagrees with it is not only inferior and weak, but mendacious and evil. Everything thereafter is in service to that - if reality contradicts his views, it's not him that's wrong, it's woke leftist academics distorting the truth. He has to deny the existence of systemic racism, sexism, etc because they would otherwise provide concrete examples of problems that you can't fix through minor personal development. And given all of the above, he has to support heirarchy because assuming that people have equitable opportunities in a society that isn't significantly influenced by systemic inequalities, the heirarchies that exist must be fairly arrived at, rational, and good.

I mean personally I think he seems to be a bigoted person, seeking to maintain the centrality of conservative white male experience in the face of a slowly diversifying academia (his old 'postmodern-neomarxist' thing could be a made-up bogeyman like 'judeo-bolshevism' and certainly functions as such, but might also be a swipe at the work of indigenous scholars in Canada), but his transit from a person with unexamined prejudices to what we see now might be a sort of schismatic process by which he doubles down on refusing to examine those prejudices precisely because they are being shown up for what they are.

He’s clearly crazy in the coconut https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qLrnkK2YEcE

Parklife!

But yeah he seems awful

Fully agree with all of that. Post benzo withdrawal (a practising clinical therapist who 'didnt know benzos were addictive, ffs) he's gone full cunt