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  • Almost like it was a sustainable, albeit very different, way of living?

    Nasty, brutish and short, I believe

  • Hobbes' position is not based on a scientific or historically-informed view of early history - it's a fabricated history developed for the polemic purpose of his argument in Leviathan. The same is true of Rousseau's.

  • Thomas Paine gave him a good kicking, too. Hobbes wasn't even talking about human life in previous times, he was talking about what life would be like without a functioning society (best ruled by a king or dictator, in his view). Somehow it's been widely misquoted as a comment on previous history. Up there with myths like our medieval ancestors not washing and knights in armour not being able to get back up again if they fell over.

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