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Apparently land owners in the Peaks were sending rangers out after dark to check on unlawful camping over the last few years so I wouldn't count on it.

Frankly the whole English right to roam/camp needs legislation similar to the Scottish position.

I think you have to see it from both sides, mainly because of some of the irresponsible twats that fuck it up for everybody else.

Lol, tell that to Saudi Aramco, they plan to be the last one standing
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Sure. But I'd like to be able to roam and camp like I can in Scotland.

I agree totally

Just because people speed and kill cyclists doesn't mean no one is allowed to drive on the roads.

There isn't both sides. A rich dick has used his monies to suppress the poor from the enjoyment of outside.

Not sure that is a fair analogy.

I cycle past a field next to a river every Monday. Since the pandemic it has become a magnetic for people camping and getting pissed up. Every Monday during the summer the field looks like the end of Glastonbury, boxes, bottles, balloons, cans and general shit everywhere. If that was my land I would get pretty angry and want it stopped (particularly as the field is often used for livestock).

I wild camp and make every effort to leave no trace.

I get that he is a hedge fund cunt but I also get why people may want to try to stop it (not saying that I want it stopped mind you).

You hear similar stories from the most accessible bits of open land to Edinburgh and Glasgow. Hedge fund managers are not the only flavour of cunt out there.

Since the pandemic it has become a magnetic for people camping and getting pissed up. Every Monday during the summer the field looks like the end of Glastonbury, boxes, bottles, balloons, cans and general shit everywhere.

This is basically what was happening, to a some degree. Hedge fund guy (also a major UKIP donator if you want another reason to dislike him) has owned the land for over 10 years, he wasn’t bothered when quiet hikers were camping tidily.

I’m not on his side, but can see it.

Apparently land owners in the Peaks were sending rangers out after dark to check on unlawful camping over the last few years...

They've spotted me precisely zero times, and I've been kipping out there every month for the past 4 years.

Some wondering if Mr Darwall may fall victim to the Barbara Streisand Effect, with a massive uptick in the number of folk camping on his land.

Yep. Sadly even if it’s a tiny minority who are leaving crap around, it cumulatively still ends up with a lot of waste in natural spaces over a short period. Park rangers do a great job of cleaning up but they (and volunteers) can only do so much before you wonder if the damage is worth it. See any beach or river in the south west as an example.

Edit: I’ll add that banning people so you can use it exclusively for shooting birds isn’t a better use

Edit: I’ll add that banning people so you can use it exclusively for shooting birds isn’t a better use

+1

Leaving rubbish is a crap reason to ban everyone from kipping out overnight. The countryside has a far bigger problem with waste left by farmers and other “legitimate” users of the land.

Interested to hear more.

As in liquid slurry run off?

Partly, but shooting estates dumping shot birds, shotgun cartridges, old farm equipment, containers of old oil, leaking fuel storage, derelict vehicles and buildings, and a lot of buildings were made with asbestos which they just pile up “out of the way” when they’re knocked down, baling twine, plastic wrapping from silage and straw bales and chemical containers and sacks, nitrate and phosphate runoff, old fencing and gates, farmers are among the very worst litterers.
I work on an organic farm a couple of days a week, the farmer is way better than most, but the space taken up by his rubbish is huge, absolutely nothing is disposed of properly.

This. Agriculture, organic free range or otherwise, is fucking terrible for the environment.

Will the people who were camping like this give a shit about the legality of future camping, was the question that occurred to me when hearing the news about this on the wireless

on the wireless

Own up, it was a radiogram.

Perhaps Mr Darwall has a small army of grounds keepers who will now use reasonable force to move wild campers on?

He may well do, but I'd be interested to see how that pans out.

I’m going to say maybe.

During the pandemic all the local teenagers started congregating down by the river near me. It was great vibes for them, made me all nostalgic, but the place was covered in litter every Saturday and Sunday morning and was so doubt noisy for people who lived next to the meadows. The landowners threatened to restrict all public access, the local papers got hold of it, it stopped.

Same deal on Primrose Hill - it was totally trashed every saturday night, and now its closed 10pm-6am at the weekends