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There was a similar sentiment from a caller to LBC that I saw on Twitter recently. The gist was ‘I’m a stereotypical, gammony, retired prick. But I was in hospital recently with coronary problems, and therefore I’ve changed my mind about paying for public services now that it directly affects me, and someone else is paying anyway’.

On a slight tangent, you might have noticed how distantly I described my "relatives" in the anecdote I just told.

Ten years ago, they were super nice people. 1st generation immigrants to the UK. Living a comfortable retirement. One used to be an optician, the other was a theoretical physicist who spent most of his career doing stop secret stuff for the American military. Super switched on, intelligent and kind people when I first met them.

Bit by bit since they fully retired they have just slid down this rabbithole of right wing stupidity. Now we're at the point that they were the "right kind of immigrants who came here and worked hard for what they have" unlike the "freeloaders coming here for benefits".

Now they live in Bexhill and read the Daily Express. Its fucking miserable to watch, almost in real time, as two previously pretty sorted people have gradually become radicalised.

Imagine switching from well travelled left leaning immigrant scientist to George Soros is replacing all the white people lunacy in only a few years. Switching from somebody who used to work in academic research to somebody who will happily submit a Daily Express article as irrefutable proof of something.

The Telegraph radicalised an ex colleague of mine.

It makes me very angry and also sad. He was a bit gammony but we agreed on quite a few things but he's now gone to the extreme side.

I think those newspapers use known human vulnerabilities like tribalism and if you don't know you have those very human weak spots...they get in.

Bah. But what can you do...keep talking to people I guess but it seems ineffective.

Unless you are old and need nurses ;)

What's been said above, plus The Express is now able to set up the angelic, virtuous nurses vs the ugly, grasping rail Unions.

Kelvin MacKenzie is pushing hard in this angle at the moment. It's just grim.

Does he think the Grauniad and LFGSS radicalised you?

I don't think he is. He's just suggested that all the nurses should be sacked and replaced with ones from the Philippines

https://mobile.twitter.com/kelvmackenzie/status/1603013141033623557

Look at that man’s tweets. Imagine sitting there all day that full of rage. :(

Presumably nurses from the Philippines who would have a visa conditionality clause that states their ability to remain in the country requires continuous employment by the NHS.

I don't think he is. He's just suggested that all the nurses should be sacked and replaced with ones from the Philippines

I wasn't talking about his Twitter feed, I was referring to his role at News UK with Rebekah Brooks as CEO. As I understand it, Talk Radio (and others) editorial direction is very much anti RMT and pro nurse at the moment.

I mean, this is The Times cartoon for today. (part of News UK)

I don't think he's still involved at News Corp is he?

Afaik, he is chairman of Wireless Group which is the subsidiary of News Corp that owns Talk Radio, talksport, talktv etc. I stand to be corrected.

Lol, guessing it was this one that I posted in the fall of the tories thread
https://twitter.com/LBC/status/160083712­2381996032

Never miss an opportunity to post hate spewing Kelvin Mackenzie getting doorstepped and whining about it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1R4oiBxXfNE

Yup, that dickhead.

Glorious

I think Wireless have gone through a few owners since he was involved. A quick google suggests no link.

Omg this is amazing. How have I never seen this before.

Hm, we did agree on some things. State of the NHS etc.

Brexit hell no.
But he did think the Home Office were shitty and that was well before the hell that it is now.

But yes, what IS radicalisation?

To me it is becoming overly bigoted and meanspirited in your response to some groups of people / overly tribal. And in a way that it is no longer your own thinking. That of course can happen with any ideology...

But yeah when somebody who is pretty smart and can take a joke starts parroting gay and muslin slurs, feck...but I don't know if he meant that, as even discussing Brexit wasn't fun! But I doubt he's deep down a Bad Person (few people are) so I am not happy he's gone the bad person way.

Fuck Murdoch and all, but perhaps that is Arseholery Begets Arseholery which is also not a good reaction :)

The thing is, it’s a newspaper called The Daily Express that have been around for a very long time; why would they seek clarification or source to confirm the DE’s dubious articles?

Same thing with The Telegraph, or the Guardisn, people happily take it without a pinch of salt.

muslin slurs

a threat to the fabric of society

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Obvs not sniffing at £84k, but got to say Mick Lynch is probably selling himself short there.

I wonder if he gets a commish on a successful pay deal?