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As a comparison, my mate did a Channel swim on the first swim tide of the season (early June), about 16 degrees. He's a big walrus of a guy and was in for 22 hrs. A friend who worked the lifeboats told us that for someone who'd fallen off a ferry (the greatest risk back then) they'd be looking for a body after 20 minutes.

But at 16 degrees you're wearing neoprene?

On the topic of people risking drowning because life at Home is unbearable, I managed Swimmers on Netflix until the boat scene. I think it's good, probably too good for me to watch in December.

When I was doing the rigs the survival suit you wear on the choppers is designed to give you two hours before hypothermia sets in and that's in Summer, they reckon on 20 mins without

In Winter they tell you to wear more layers under the suit. Wouldn't want to test it in either season

The water probably isn't as cold as you think it might be.

Correct, however staying in it after 30 minutes run the risk of hypothermia.

(from a RNLI buddy of mine).

survival suit you wear on the choppers is designed to give you two hours before hypothermia sets in

What kind of suits is that? Like an over engineered wetsuit?

It's these Ed

https://survitecgroup.com/survitecproducts/14024/1000spassengerimmersionsuit

Also fitted with a life vest with Personal Locator Beacon and Emergency Breathing System, so quite bulky and difficult to move around in.

Gooch strap for the life vest invariably cuts off blood supply to your legs about twenty minutes into the flight, plus you're knee to knee with the person in front (model of chopper dependent).

The water probably isn't as cold as you think it might be, and certainly less cold than the air temperature outside of the sea at this time of year.

Isn't the point that it's still a long way below 37 degrees C and much more effective than air at conducting your body heat away?

Yeah, I was making the point that it'd still kill quickly.

But at 16 degrees you're wearing neoprene?

Not for a channel swim. Budgie smugglers only.

My mate swam the North Channel (N. Ireland to Scotland) in about 13 hours and that was probably a bit colder but I can't find the temperature.

But at 16 degrees you're wearing neoprene?

No - CSA rules are trunks, swim cap (not neoprene), goggles.

Ok. That's a bit mad I think. Apart from the swimming for a day bit, that's just not normal!

they also cover themselves in Vaseline to reduce chafing. they are a bit nuts.

Oh brilliant, time to buy them to go swimming in Beckenham Park.

Re-reading it, TBF you did point that out, just wasn’t that clear to me.

More development for lab space, this time older housing in Lambeth.

Article is a bit naughty, omits to mention that the number of housing units is going up marginally

The plans will replace the site’s existing 129 private rented homes with 133 new homes
https://www.building.co.uk/news/green-light-for-stanhopes-huge-waterloo-life-sciences-district/5120937.article

I see Cruella Braverman has come out and said we must put an end to these crossings. Good, I'm assuming she'll open a safe route for asylum seekers who can enter the UK legally in short order.

She will open up the AquaticHunger Games… participants waive any rights for help or support in the event of not being able to judge what is safe for themselves.

Of course she has a joined up thinking approach to opening channels to process applications and quick tracking people so they can get visas, jobs and be part of society and build new lives.

Or jus jet them off to Rwanda

There already is one - via the Republic of Ireland.

Easy, just halve the size of everything. That's how the UK housing market works

11.3° at camber today, 11.8° at Dungeness (thank goodness for the power station). Expected survival time max depending on sources ~1-3 hours or 2h55m.

I learned most survival stats are all drawn from a 1946 US naval study that isn’t necessarily v accurate.

They let people apply in Calais?

That's good.

Something very interesting going on when the Express has this front page.

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I'm not particulalry suprised by this. Random IRL example.

I have two relatives who are gammony Express readers in their 70s. Both of them were hit by a car two weeks ago. They're going to be fine but both have leg fractures. They're having a shit time getting the care they need right now, due to the state of the NHS.

Despite being hateful tories in most circumstances, these folk spend a lot of time around nurses and directly feel the effect of them being overworked, understaffed and underpaid. From memory, the largest cohort of Express readers are people between the ages of 60 and 80.

Basically, I think the Express' readership is too closely linked to the NHS to side with the cunts on this.