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  • Most of the people I spoke with experience the same problem as I have - stitching come undone in the crotch area after a couple of weeks - in some cases - after a couple of rides even.

    I've had my cargo bibs fixed by a tailor but they also discoloured quite a bit so when I put my knee warmers the shorts look rather grey than black.

    But my old brevet (?) shorts still are in decent condition after 5 years or so.
    Same applies to some of the other older items I have - they are nice, functional bits of kit but my confidence in new items from Rapha is shaken.

    And at the price tag like that the quality should be impeccable.

  • There was a real and significant drop in quality when production of the bib shorts [and other product] move from Italy (Nalini/MOA's factory) to the places they are made now; Portugal, Romania and Lithuania. This happened at a similar time to the Walmart bros arriving so they are routinely conflated.

  • My shorts that were shite were still made in Italy and as Lithuanian i'm slightly offended by your statement lol. As far as I know they don't make bibs here.

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