• I heard a new one today from one of my Brexit loving colleagues. He claims that Brexit isn't a success because the implementation was mismanaged by remainers.

  • Have they not pushed that line from day one?

    Perhaps he thinks it is his own original thoughts instead of the DM/whomever whispering into his brain :)

  • Exactly.

    You can't sensibly argue the counterfactual with these people because they're only willing to entertain the magic combo that leads to their desired outcome.

    I remember before the ref debating the "Germans won't risk their car sales and they control the EU" point, and leave supporters just wouldn't take on board any of my points. I reference this because to me it showed an unwillingness to entertain any relevant depencies - like Brits previous willingness to pay a large premium on German cars, or cheap debt reducing the real terms cost increase, or the forecast future UK car sales vs RoW, or... Etc. Everything was always argued in such basic terms.

    However, I definitely think the whole process was mismanaged at almost every step and could have been done better. But I find it hard to see how that was as a result of "remainers being in charge" - except possibly had a leaver been PM then maybe they'd have had the confidence to acknowledge it would be a decade long process and that we would only trigger Article 50 once we had a plan.

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