The fall of the Tory party

Starmer isn't left enough so let's give another 4 years to the Torys, because that's worked so well the last 4 times.

What can you land though when there's no requirement to answer the question and your answer only needs to have a passing acquaintance with the truth.

The whole of PMQs is an embarrassing farce. The only point is to get a ten second clip that can be played on the news (probably the GONE part in this case).

the Tories are done for a long time after this

No, the public will give Labour a while to clean up the mess, then the Tories will tell the people it's time for them to make people rich and punish the baddies (anyone who isn't you), and win a whopping majority for another generation of rapacious vindictiveness. Rinse and repeat.

This. Always this

Weren't the last 2 Labour spells 15 and 13 years? Will take the Tories a long while to come back from this IMO.

What about direct questions on support for people?

“Can you confirm you’ll support x with y”
“Can you confirm no cuts to x service”

Especially if those people are conservative based.

They either don’t answer or bite and then u-turn.

I agree, but then again Labour did leave a good bit of mess previous. Tony Blair the cunt.

Weren't the last 2 Labour spells 15 and 13 years?

No. Going back, 12, 5, 6, 6 - and that's your lot post-WWII.

Weren't the last 2 Labour spells 15 and 13 years? Will take the Tories a long while to come back from this IMO.

What will be different this time is Labour will win without Scottish voters or Murdochs support.

So enough letters have gone in to the 1922 apparently but she is in her years grace, so they are saying half the party would need to put in letters
https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1582662302553501696

but then again Labour did leave a good bit of mess previous

go on....

National debt as a % of GDP more than doubled between 1997 and 2010? Fiscal balance went from a net surplus post Major to almost 10% of GDP? Invented BTL?

Gordon Brown didn't create the US subprime crisis but he was a cheerleader for leveraged casino banking throughout his time in government. In a sense, the banking boom was New Labour's version of the North Sea boom that propped up Thatcher.

Well taking us into a war that should have never been, that’s one massive thing that pisses me off about Blair Era Labour and he scooted off into multi millionaires row to public speak after it.

Another thing that majority pisses me off is that they sold off a ton of the gold reserves. That’s another shambles

Another thing that majority pisses me off is that they sold off a ton of the gold reserves.

I hear this a lot from my mum about Brown "Well, he sold all the gold".

From what I read briefly, that cost £5bn (though not all of that will manifest as a loss, as the money he got for it will have been invested into things that gave some interest back). At the time he did it, it was also on the advice of most economists so it's not like he just yolo'ed it for his own economic reasons, rather that he made an informed decision based on the opinions of experts who he'd assigned to advise him.

That's clearly a loss; clearly a mistake with hindsight. But it's not one that's so big to still be upset 20 years later, especially compared to the losses accrued by government policy since.
If he hadn't sold it then, I can't imagine it wouldn't have been sold since anyway, and I can't see what use it would be if we did still have it...

Thought PMQ was pretty bad for Truss. The usual shouting from the Conservative benches was fairly quiet. The "fighter not a quitter" line didn't seem to land and she dug in on policy that already has question marks against it.

This is just as facile as "They're all the same"

The "fighter not a quitter" line

Invoking the Peter Mandelson spirit, so beloved of the Tories...

AFAIK Brown selling the gold didn't cause the £ to tank to the lowest point since records began. And somehow people seem to think that's as bad as our govt that will give hundreds of millions £ to their mates for unuseable PPE.

That can't be real. Someone's just photoshopped Pat Sharp(e?)'s barnet onto him, surely.

30% GBP depreciation between 2007 and 2009 was still pretty painful though

Right? It doesn't even particularly register with me on a 'bad policy' list, yet people get really excited about it.

What was the equivalent in the rest of Europe / G# countries?

Apparently suspended for Javid raging at being accused of being shit and him threatening to call Liz out on it publicly at PMQ's
https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1582702483750936577

EUR was flat '07 to '09 with a bit of a spike in '08.
The question you should have asked was how the GBP performed prior to '07 (i.e. extremely strongly, appreciating to over $2) ;-)

Oh the memory’s, when America really did seem unreal to go on holiday.