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  • the Tories are done for a long time after this

    No, the public will give Labour a while to clean up the mess, then the Tories will tell the people it's time for them to make people rich and punish the baddies (anyone who isn't you), and win a whopping majority for another generation of rapacious vindictiveness. Rinse and repeat.

  • Weren't the last 2 Labour spells 15 and 13 years? Will take the Tories a long while to come back from this IMO.

  • Weren't the last 2 Labour spells 15 and 13 years?

    No. Going back, 12, 5, 6, 6 - and that's your lot post-WWII.

  • Weren't the last 2 Labour spells 15 and 13 years? Will take the Tories a long while to come back from this IMO.

    What will be different this time is Labour will win without Scottish voters or Murdochs support.

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