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  • Yeah I am not saying I don't agree true libertarians are a bit mad - but they don't want to live in caves etc, they just have unrealistic views on what would happen in the absence of govt. And it's a spectrum - saying "they all think this" is a bit like when they say that anyone vaguely on the left wants full communism with no right to possessions

  • Sure it's a spectrum but its starting point is already beyond the traditional conservative small government stance and firmly in the unrealistic zone. Much like Trussenomics.

  • Oh yeah I agree, I just think 'liberal' is a way bigger term and covers quite different stances (Inc lots of progressive ones)

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