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andyp in reply to @Sumo

It takes a certain kind of cognitive dissonance to say you believe in social services while also saying you believe in liberalism.

I don't think you mean liberalism here. Liberalism, if we accept that Mill defined modern liberalism in his writings, would absolutely support social services as they clearly benefit the greater good.

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Sumo in reply to @andyp

I'm not going to pretend to be an expert on classical liberalism. I thought it was tied pretty tightly to the belief in the free market and non-govt intervention. To me that would include laws against discrimination but is at odds with having a govt pumping money and resources in to social services.

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andyfallsoff in reply to @Sumo

It's a really difficult phrase just because it has such different meanings - liberal might be taken to mean neoliberal, basically right wing economic, or it might mean liberal in terms of individual rights (which might require state support). In the US 'the libs' are the democrats

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