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  • You're basically describing progressive conservatism which is growing rapidly in Europe. As opposed to what we have, which is 40 year old fiscal conservatism, which has been a completely failed experiment which they seem to want to repeat because this time it'll work, right?

    Its just such bullshit. The average UK household earns less now than it did in 1990, adjusted for inflation.

  • I don't believe progressive conservatism exists outside of studies. You may get people saying they belive in social progressivism and economic liberalism but they're fundamentally at odds with each other. It takes a certain kind of cognitive dissonance to say you believe in social services while also saying you believe in liberalism.

  • We did this argument here the other day. The word "progressive" has two important but distinct meanings in this context

    Fiscally progressive = redistribution from rich to poor through tax/spend, commitment to equality of outcome etc
    Socially progressive = anti-discrimination, pro LGBT+ rights etc, anti-class system

    The second of these is absolutely compatible with liberalism, i.e. government can't tell me what my gender or sexual orientation is, or what I can do with my body (e.g. abortion).

  • I don't believe progressive conservatism exists outside of studies

    Government of Austria. A right wing and green coalition government. Cunts over immigration and all the usual populist and right wing nonsense, however they push progressive policies particularly around social investment and the environment.

    • Harsh tax regime for operators and users of non green transport.
    • Harsh tax regime and planning hurdles for non renewables. Tax breaks and investment support for green schemes.
    • The Kilmabonus. Every Austrian receives a cash payment on an annual basis, calculated on how envrionmentally friendly your region has been in the previous year. 500 euros per person this year. https://www.klimabonus.gv.at/en/
    • Large investment budget for childcare, social care, eldercare.
    • Large investment budget for youth services and sports/wellbeing
    • Largest education budget in Europe.

    Edit: Just to add, they enjoy 90% approval of public services, 75% for education. This helps.

  • It takes a certain kind of cognitive dissonance to say you believe in social services while also saying you believe in liberalism.

    I don't think you mean liberalism here. Liberalism, if we accept that Mill defined modern liberalism in his writings, would absolutely support social services as they clearly benefit the greater good.

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