That Starmer fella...

Doing that in 5 years, seems, well, ambitious at best.

We need some ambition in the right direction. (Not the political "right")

Yes, I agree.

(He) will double the amount of onshore wind, triple solar and more than quadruple offshore wind power

I imagine it takes 5 years to get an offshore wind farm up and running from scratch

You are probably right. I suspect there's a little bit of chicanery there...as in banking on pushing through approvals for wind farms already planned and also taking credit for ones under development.

Smart move really.

What about waves and tides ?
They're more constant than sun and wind in the uk

They really need to go hard on explaining how renewables will create energy security or else it isn't going to be very popular, there is already a lot of anti green sentiment, calls to cut green levies etc.

Wether you like it or not, this is the type of stuff that will turn the tide and win an election:

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They really need to go hard on explaining how renewables will create energy security or else it isn't going to be very popular, there is already a lot of anti green sentiment, calls to cut green levies etc.

Despite what the MSM and pundits on twitter might claim, there is broad support for green policies

Fine by me. I'd happily dam the Severn. Not sure how green all that concrete will be though.

Use (naturally fallen) logs instead then. Good enough for beavers.

be interesting to see the same survey this year

There is a big divide between abstract things that sound good and are done somewhere by somebody and things that might affect me personally.

Despite what the MSM and pundits on twitter might claim, there is broad support for green policies

I'm not sure the results of that survey reflect that tbh.

It's more like 'folks support green initiatives that they can feel good about, but reject those that might cost them money or convenience'

Guess that's Sohi's point.

There is very weak support for things like limiting meat intake, restricting oversees holidays etc. They are seen as personal choice restrictions but polling for renewables, insulation programmes, green jobs etc always poll well across parties and that is what Labour are leaning in to

Labour will bring green jobs built on strong trade unions – because we cannot go back to the 1980s by Angela Rayner and Ed Miliband

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/sep/25/labour-green-jobs-trade-unions-fracking-bankers-bonuses-angela-rayner-ed-mliband

They really need to go hard on explaining how renewables will create energy security

I thought it was a great headline for them this morning. I think the war in Ukraine and rising bills have already done this for them.

Everyone has at least an inkling that energy from wind is highly likely to be cheaper and more secure than that from Putin.

Ffs.

https://twitter.com/getprdone/status/1574135443242864640

Labour seem to be putting out some good stuff at conference but will all be lost in the noise of the tories economic fall out

Ffs.

I know its brainless but so are the press and its readers.

If Starmer puts electoral reform front and centre now, it'll be a fucking shit show in the red tops for months. "Starmer would change the rules to be president for life" kind of shit.

Also - changing FTP to PR also makes it easier for the hard right to get into power as well as smaller left/green groups , as we’re seeing in Italy. I hate FTP but I don’t think electoral reform is going to automatically make things better.

This. Electoral reform is one for after you've won an election and formed a government, not before.

changing FTP to PR also makes it easier for the hard right to get into power

You've seen this current government, yeah?

I'm sure I read that if it's in the manifesto, they can crack on and implement it with no further consultation (eg there's a mandate for it), but if it's not in the manifesto they have to jump through all the hoops that lead to it failing last time? Or have I got that wrong...

You've seen this current government, yeah?

Yeah this government are awful, but let's not forget the BNP had two MEP's under PR.

I agree, but arguably the Italian election also demonstrates the issue with adjusting electoral reform to try and exclude political outcomes rather than focusing on representation (vague term I know).

Italy have had loads of electoral reforms for decades and the latest change in 2017 was quite foolhardy in being motivated partly to penalise the Five Star Movement by favouring coalitions. This had the massively unfortunate effect of strengthening the vote of a right and far-right coalition.

I agree that just switching to a nominally more representative system can lead to shit outcomes, but guiding electoral reform on preferred political outcomes is very dangerous.