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I'm with you on this end of terrace with big solid brick wall that is freezing in tbe winter.

Alright George Clarke.

I'm thick, but I assume this is wholesale price, not retail?

You assume correctly.

Latest comparison for household costs

From the source article:

https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2022/08/26/soaring-energy-prices-how-does-the-uk-compare-with-europe

Coinciding with Russia's invasion in February, prices in the UK have risen much more steeply than in the EU, reaching almost double the European average in July.

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I'm quite suprised that there isn't more conversation around how much gas and electric we are selling to the EU at the moment. In £ terms, our export value has really increased in the last few months simply because we're selling so much energy across the North Sea and Channel.

Edit: Its not really we is it? Its more private companies owned by the French government, the UAE and the Ontario teachers pension fund who are selling UK energy to the EU tbh.

You assume correctly.

@NickCJ said "Anyone telling you that this is solely profiteering by UK energy companies is thick or lying"
So, where is the error? BP, a UK energy company, sets the wholesale price and publishes record profits.

Retail is something else.

*edit - replied at wrong person and now reads wrong. Told you, thick!

but that's 10-15K for our 1952 semi.

In the UK? In the south east?

Is it me or does that sound insanily cheap for wrapping a house in insulation and adding heat recapture? I mean you struggle to get a bathroom for half of that.

Curious to hear any more about this.

A part of me would be fascinated to see what happens to society in the UK if prices go as bad as has been predicted without any state help. Collapse of social fabric, Mad Max in the streets etc..

As a side observation, I worked on renewable energy policy under the Cameron administration when he cut all the 'green crap', cancelled the Green Deal energy saving support scheme and banned onshore windfarms.

Now 6 years later imagine how much better prepared and energy independent the UK would be now if he hadn't done all that. Ruinous decisions.

Similar to what the Merkel government did in Germany, crippled wind power and destroyed German solar manufacturing.

Well, it's a quick online search and Northern Ireland is cheaper.

But it will be overoptimistic...I bet lots of small things will add up as always with renovations!

I'm banking on 15K plus, we don't have the cash ATM but investigating what to save for.

Worth ringing a local firm for a quote if you have the cash.

Check the UK insulation association register https://www.nia-uk.org/ for an installer maybe?

Next time the county council sell off their council tax mailing list I'm getting in on the group buy for solar, regretting not taking part last time as it would probably pay for itself this winter.

The article is interesting.

The comments from Rob (that were quite mean, but then, were dismissed in equal meanness and name calling) seemed to be where my head was:

Not all leccy costs the same to produce, but if you produce a lot of it from gas, and gas is fucking expensive, all your leccy is going to be expensive unless you can just turn on generation from much cheaper sources. If you can't, ur fucked (we are fucked).

Prediction: Its only a matter of time before the 5G conspiracy nuts latch on to how much RFI comes from solar panels and start to claim that they are bad for your health.

bP sEtS tHe WhOlEsAlE pRiCe

https://www.nationalgrid.com/gas-transmission/balancing/day-commodity-market-ocm

I'm quite suprised that there isn't more conversation around how much gas and electric we are selling to the EU at the moment. In £ terms, our export value has really increased in the last few months simply because we're selling so much energy across the North Sea and Channel

And that is why it is a nonsense listening to Tories saying they will increase North sea exploration licenses and incentive production as it will do nothing to help domestic prices or security of supply, will just be more export profits for the mega corps who won't be picking up the costs of thier externalities as per

None?

None?

In most cases, fucking shit loads. The most common and older models are dirty AF from an RFi perspective. Newer ones are getting better but if you have solar panels they bathe you in radio signals.

This is utterly harmless and undetectable (unless you've got specialist measuring equipment) but its there and surely something nutters will latch on to at some point.

Edit: In the remote possibility that there are other radio nerds here on LFGSS, here's some more info https://palomar-engineers.com/rfi-kits/solar-system-rfi

I'm currently living in a mountain village with a population of 200 and took my radio kit with me in the hope that RFI would be low enough to do some radio astronomy experiments. Because everybody has solar panels and EV chargers, there is more radio interference than in London!

I'm sorry but where are these signals originating? The inverters may be noisy but the panels are passive devices that turn light into DC.

who on earth is paying 65p per kwh for electricity?

I’m skeptical about their consumption-weighted methodology. The charts for comparably sized economies/energy consumers are less starkly different (although yes, UK prices have still gone up a lot)

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Did you guys spot that those figures/charts I posted are PPS adjusted?

I'm sorry but where are these signals originating? The inverters may be noisy but the panels are passive devices that turn light into DC.

I linked to an article explaining. You are mostly correct. When I say solar panels, I should have said solar panel installations to be more accurate.

Please tell me you are on the wind up? That link is complete snake oil BS like the old hifi tweaks of yore.

There are so many standards about emi generation and susceptibility . Find something from a reputable source and I'll have a conversation.