I’ve had Carradice bags for close to 30 years and have never owned a bagman, though I had a similar tougher thing from Nitto? I think.
Very soon ditched it and went to a rear rack as support for the various bags I’ve used, never looked back. At various times I also have inserted pieces of coroplast into the bag as a stiffener.
Fair enough then! I'd still need loops for my saddle (I'm using a SMP Vulkor), but honestly if I end up using a standard rear rack like you, I'll just put micro-panniers on each side rather than a Carradice-style saddlebag.
I also like stiffeners in my bags, but the Zeitgeist already had one :)
I’ve had Carradice bags for close to 30 years and have never owned a bagman, though I had a similar tougher thing from Nitto? I think.
Very soon ditched it and went to a rear rack as support for the various bags I’ve used, never looked back. At various times I also have inserted pieces of coroplast into the bag as a stiffener.