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  • I just mean that I thought I could do without, being an outdoorsy person, but in practice it was really horrible, and people probably don't realise how bad it is for your mental and physical health. If you haven't tried it long term it appears that you just have to toughen up and wear a jumper but the reality is much bleaker.

  • A bleak reality lots of people are going to be forced into.

    This makes me think: is there something we can do as a somewhat loosely knit forum? Besides the Boss and the Golf Club, I expect most of us aren’t flush with cash atm, but maybe with sheer numbers we can make a difference?

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