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No. I meant 3pm. 12noon at Xmas.
It also depends which side you're coming from doesn't it?
If some people can do the job in 3 days an others in +5 days, then it suggests that their managers aren't doing their job.
I think a lot of your view is shaped by where you've worked. If you've been in large organisations then ime people are often a lot more, "that's not my job", "I'm not working for free". Whereas if you're in a small business where you can literally see all of the work distribution and you don't have the head count for dedicated roles for every task you muck in a bit more.
Overall though it's about openness and consistency. I the job I mentioned before it always grated when the boss made a dig at time keeping or attendance. We'd often get paid late and the nature of the work was that you'd routinely sit on your hands for most of the day/week and then have to work flat out once whatever dependency you were waiting on came through.
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I think you misunderstood. 5pm is the time from when you start claiming TOIL. :-D
It does depend on the job and the headcount, I agree that in small organisations you’d muck in more. You’d also probably expect to see a more generous share of any profits…
The people in my example, doing their work in three days… they’re still clocking 35hrs.
Ben689908
5pm
Seriously though, yeh I’m dredging the TOIL chat. I get both sides. Absolutely don’t work for free, especially most of us are seeing a pay cut due to inflation. But at the same time, if someone is regularly working overtime and accruing TOIL… they probably need to work - I’ll be polite - smarter.
I did a 12hr day the other week, so started late the next day and did a turbo session (I’m on a 35hr week so 7.5hr days, but it’s generally “just get your work done and don’t be a piss taker”), but I have colleagues who are serially ‘done’ by COP on Wednesday so they don’t turn up Thursday/Friday (or barely) or they’re amassing TOIL.
I don’t know what they’re doing. I’ve spoken at length about this with our gaffer. She also has a private sector/consultancy upbringing so it causes her the same consternation.
Work smart; not hard.