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I have a pair of Horizons in the shed, they felt ok, but for some reason the sidewalls kept weeping sealant, maybe I didn't ride em enough or used the wrong sealant.
Had a pair of Ramparts (700c), just felt wooden.
I'm gonna wear these gks out before I spend more money on tyres, although I did enjoy the feel of Ultradynamico cavas, so if they ever come back in stock may give em a go in 650b flavour.
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The Horizon were nightmare with tubeless as they’re ancient compare to modern tubeless, and yeah the Rampart I found them equally wooden with the 700 x 38, but really work better on 650b on account of smaller wheel = less weight for similar volume.
Look into the Vittoria, I think you may find them surprising as the centre is perfectly smooth and felt similar to a road tyres at a slightly higher pressure.
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yeah they did this first time around for me too, some extra sealant in and they will be fine. I've taken off and re-fitted mine a few times and it was only the first time.
I have been wondering what the choice 650b road tyre is outside of rene hearse
edscoble
stelfox
Gravel King felt stiff and heavy compare to similar tyres, even WTB Horizon felt better and more supple, was a fan of GK when it was the only real alternative for not a lots of money.
Alternative is Vittoria Terreno Zero, Teravail Rampart and Pirelli Cinturato M to name but a few, all of them can be had for around £100 or less.
Rene Herse were amazing tyres until recently where the slightly less expensive option mentioned above mean I can get decent grip/feel for half the price to the point it doesn’t feel like I’m gonna get £100 better grip/feel by going for RH.