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  • But it's both isn't it. I was better than most people will ever be, with a life of training, the first day I rode a bike, but I will never be as good as a world tour pro, no matter the work I put in. I just don't have the physiology.

  • I would ask you to quantitatively define how good you were on the first day vs the others with a life of training, but that's not the point I'm trying to make.

    Maybe what you are saying is more true for a a 3weeks stage race where is the length of the event itself which favours the genetically gifted (is it though? albeit in a different situation, look at Anna Kiesenhofer), but in other sports there are plenty of examples of people that "made it" without being born with extraordinary talent.

    The other side of the coin is that if you start telling people from day 1 that they will never achieve their dreams because of something they have no control over, then what's the point in even trying? Better spending your life on a couch, drinking beer and eating pizza

  • if you start telling people from day 1 that they will never achieve their dreams because of something they have no control over, then what's the point in even trying?

    Nah better to set realistic dreams. Take up cycling at 23 and are willing to train hard? Aim to get round a prem or a divs medal. The great thing about competitive (cycle) sport is that you don't have to be the best to get something out of it.

    in other sports there are plenty of examples of people that "made it" without being born with extraordinary talent

    Got any examples in endurance sports? (genuinely interested)

  • Better spending your life on a couch, drinking beer and eating pizza

    Sign me up.

  • Better spending your life on a couch, drinking beer and eating pizza

    Now you're getting it.

    But there are other achievements you know. A gold medal isn't the only thing worth aiming for. Goal setting is one of the big factors for any athlete. Set unrealistic goals, get sad, quit. Set achievable goals, maybe get them, set more goals, continue life of progress.

    Knowing how to set process goals vs. outcome goals is why I'm still racing bikes after 30 years of being shit at it.

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