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I'm not sure I understand the EF hate
For me its the whole Palace nonsense, self-wanking, sandbagging in gravel, 'its not all about winning' as a WT team, a frat house vibe, Whoop
And then there is JV
amey-
Hmm I can understand that. I do hate the Palace thing actually, that's kinda what I think of when I say "try-hard".
The rest of it doesn't bother me so much - the dudebro vibe seems quieter now Phinney is out. Morton seems a good dude and I will always love Uran.
Alex Howes is insufferable tho
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but the team classification!
tyeness
exteroceptive
Sticking my neck out a bit - I'm not sure I understand the EF hate. Vaughters is a bit of a gobshite try-hard but most of their riders seem canny?