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I'm not sure I understand the EF hate
For me its the whole Palace nonsense, self-wanking, sandbagging in gravel, 'its not all about winning' as a WT team, a frat house vibe, Whoop
And then there is JV
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Canny riders, usually try and do stuff at grand tours, don't do weird chasing down ex-team mates ala Movistar, i don't get it either
JV is hateable
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@tyeness
Sticking my neck out a bit - I'm not sure I understand the EF hate. Vaughters is a bit of a gobshite try-hard but most of their riders seem canny?