Car appreciation... the aesthetics, the engineering, etc

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  • But I already have one I'm not using

  • I talked to maserati just a few days ago they could not even provide details for any wheels made for the ghibli at this point. I figured the ones i have must have the same specs as the rest of the cars with different wheels from 95 forward but they dident know and i dont think its just that they dident want to find out for me cause i was forwarded to their data / classic collection department or similar and they looked but couldent find any info.

    So its not hard for me to imagine there has been a lot of special things done that may not be registered anywhere. But today i bought a digital measure device (dont know the name of this tool in english) so ill just figure out what i need to know myself i guess.

  • A set of digital vernier calipers?


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  • @badboybjorn also, I think your fitment issues will be solved with careful tyre selection plus the spacers. If you're worried the wider wheels and tyres will foul on the wheel arch you could choose a slightly narrower Tyre on the 9" rim. For eg. A 265 will sit relatively square on the rim but a 245 or 255 the sidewall will angle back from the rim, i.e. "stretch" but it gives a little extra clearance. Also tyre brands make a difference. Not a rule but generally Michelin are squarer and Pirelli appear to give more stretch for the same size. Motorsport based semi slicks etc. Will have square shoulders and appear wider on the rim.

  • Ah yes those are the ones. My vocabulary is pretty good but tools is still uncharted territory for me.

    Yes i was thinking about 255s possibly. Will see what choices i have once the other bits are sorted. I had forgotten about that effect of different shapes on different rims but your link and the resulting image reminded me that the tires was indeed less wide on the outer edge on the wider rim which should work in my favor. The tires currently fitted on the new rims are very square and looks massive as a result (semi slicks)

    Cheers

  • MOT sorted on the little Fiat, needed a corroded connection sorted on one of the lights. Hadn't realised as it doesn't get out at night much. Done just over 2000 kms in last year. So does see some action.

    Booked in next week to sort the gearbox out. Will be first proper bill on it for a couple of years so can't complain.

  • Scrapping our car tomorrow. The MOT expires and the garage said it would be a "catastrophic failure" at the next one (i.e. due tomorrow) due to corrosion and the heightened standards of the newer MOT. It's not done badly for a 2001 reg car. Shame as the engine is fine and it's ULEZ compliant.

    Getting ~£200 for it, so that's not bad, more than I thought.

    It'll be replaced by Zipcars and other rental cars, but mostly public transport, supermarket deliveries, etc.

    First major test will be next Wednesday when my daughter goes to cricket training. 4.7 miles away and it's a 15 minute drive but ~55 minutes on public transport (bus+bus or train+train).

    Cycling would be mostly free but she hasn't done much cycling and she's tired enough already.
    Bus would be £1.65 each way = £3.30 and she is free with her Zip Oyster ~ 55 minutes
    Train would be £3.40 and £2.80 coming back = £6.20. She would be £1.70 + £0.80 = £2.50 ~ 55 minutes
    Uber would be ~£15 each way ~ 25 minutes (including waiting time)
    Zipcar would be £30 as I'd need it for more than 2.5 hours (zero waiting time)

  • First major test will be next Wednesday when my daughter goes to cricket training. 4.7 miles away and it's a 15 minute drive but ~55 minutes on public transport (bus+bus or train+train).

    Cargo bike no?

  • Cargo bike no?

    Don't have one. Don't have space to store one.

    Will probably aim to get her cycling to/fro next year. Her bag is a rucksack type bag but it's quite heavy containing her bat, helmet, pads, gloves, balls, spikes, water, etc.

    Luckily we have the time to do a 55 minute journey by bus. In reality it'll probably be bus there and Uber or Zipcar back so she is back home by 8.30pm rather than 9pm.

  • Any recommendations for a decent garage in or around New Cross that'd work on a van?

  • Ah shame no space. And I implied to buy one. Would be perfect.

  • The scrap cost seems low. If it is ulez compliant the cat will be worth more than that.

    What is the fail and there are no heightened standards for the MOT.

  • Hey, you are awesome. You have a ghibli!!!

    Don't worry about the tool bits as the same tool can have lots of different and be very specific.

    Sorry if my tyre comments concerned you. Recent rim order showed me alot more that I had not considered.

  • Anyone got a Zoe?

  • Sounds perfect for a Citroen ami, if there was a good network of them dotted around the streets


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  • You can't get much in them, and with a top speed of 28 the amusement might fade quickly.

    In france you can drive them without a driving licence.

  • Surely a cricket bag would fit? Dunno. Hypothetical anyway. These kind of transport options are great though. Leave the garage space and dinosaur juice for a nice weekend project.

  • Have you tested the limit of the real max range of it? Any negatives to know of?

  • I’d say in real world use, it’s around 170 miles though we live outside on London so lots of National speed limit roads which will decrease range.

    I think it’s expensive for what it is but all EVs are.

    We’ve got the GT line and it’s got loads of nice things that make it more comfortable.

    Negatives are that it’s still a ‘cheap’ Renault. Seats are not height adjustable and wouldn’t stand up to a 5 hour drive. Infotainment is slow so make sure you use CarPlay or android auto. I find the steering a bit ‘leany’ because of the skinny tyres and relatively high sides.

    Because we’ve got the Tesla, I’ve never taken it more than about 50 miles away but mrs Soul has done a 120 mile round trip in the depths of winter (heated seats / steering wheel on) and returned with 10%.

    Overall, it’s a really good local runaround and we’d buy another one if making the same decision today.

  • I'm probably slightly more generous than @Soul having come from a 13 ys old s-max in comparison.
    Range - yes about 170ish. We recently did a couple of trips to Brighton area and 90miles was about 60%.
    Mostly we just potter around locally in it.
    We have the more basic spec, but I'm still delighted to have dab radio and to be able to link my phone to listen to podcasts, so all seems shiny and modern to me! Android auto just works well.
    It's a small car so space is limited, but I've had my 3 grown up kids in the back (for a short journey). The seats are not long journey comfortable.
    But it's really fun to drive, easy to live with practical little car. We love it.

  • Reading it back, it sounds like I don’t like the car.

    Overall I’d give it a solid 7 out of 10.

    It loses marks for cost (but I understand why it’s expensive), long range comfort and quality but these are all subjective things.

    I would buy one again and am in the process of shopping around for another one for my mum.

    Let me know what deals you come across @Sumo

  • If it is ulez compliant the cat will be worth more than that.

    A new Cat is only £70: https://www.cats2u.co.uk/citroen/7386-citroen-saxo-11-10-00-01-04-catalytic-converter-bm90860h-fk90860c.html

    What is the fail and there are no heightened standards for the MOT.

    Corrosion. It hasn't failed an MOT, I just know there's no chance it would pass another and its next one is due today.

    It also wasn't worth the gamble of taking it for an MOT. If it failed then I've got something I can't drive around that needs salvaging and I'd either getting little or no cash for it if I can't do it on my terms.

    (I have no reason not to trust the garage when they said it'd be a catastrophic failure at its next MOT, plus it's a good excuse to get rid of the car, we don't NEED a car, it's just useful and convenient to have one.)

  • You can't get much in them, and with a top speed of 28 the amusement might fade quickly.

    That wouldn't be a problem, the usual ~5 mile route we take has a single 200m section of 30mph limit (the top of Putney Hill and round Tibbet's Corner), the rest is all 20mph.

    The main problem with all of the rental/Zipcar options is that it's a 15 minute journey, 2.5 hours of not needing the car, then a 15 minute journey back. So it's a choice of paying for more expensive one-way options or paying for the dead time when the car is doing nothing. Uber isn't cheap at these times either (~5.45pm and ~8.15pm)

  • Nice ok. We're looking at a second hand one, probably 2021 spec for ~ £25k. We like the idea of paying slightly more up front for a car that costs less to run and won't fall foul of future ULEZ/emission zone changes but there's a definite budget limit. It seems all new EV cars are on a year old waiting list or at very least December minimum so going second hand is fine and it saves a bit of money. We were looking at the VW ID3 first but my partner has done a test drive in both and prefers the Zoe, which is also cheaper. My main concern is charging networks and how well it'll do for longer journeys, we're moving to Manchester and driving back to London will be fairly common for the first few months while things get worked out. But even the much more expensive EVs don't seem to have significantly more range and it's hard to know what a claimed 200 miles really works out to.

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