Car appreciation... the aesthetics, the engineering, etc

I'm choosing to not answer this question.

Thanks! So glad this only took 4 months rather than 4 years.

oh, man, i hear you.

A Taycan will impress your gc buddies more than an ev Citroën DS.

Dunno and obvs depends more on the audience but to me, there's something really, really excessive about taking a very old (and by modern cars' standards, hopelessly dangerous in an accident, impractical and nondurable) and ripping its guts out and installing EV shiz. It's cool, mind. If I had the time / money I would do it.

And there are many incentives for new EVs allready in place so why not for conversions?Why should I be paying for someone elses new EV and not for someones conversion?

On the assumption that most new EVs will be safe / practical / durable and provide lots of economic activity (i.e. workhorses). Obvs some of the more 'specialist' stuff will be playthings though and fail to some extent on those I agree.

Well, there it is.

Lets not ride bicycles as they are dangerous, lets not ride horses as they too are dangerous. Then there are motorbikes, lets forget them as they are dangerous.

@Libraio Do you know anymore about the bus batteries busting in to flames.

Don’t really get the durable part, if anything reusing an existing car is more durable. And have you ever compared a 40 year old Mercedes with a 20 year old one? The 40 year old one was made to last, the 20 year old one was made to make a larger profit.

Those of sound mind would take the older of that side of Stuttgart's offerings. Besides, Older Mercs have way more panache...

Way to go to misinterpret - it’s fine to do it - just don’t kid yourself in to thinking it’s not a plaything.

Nope, no idea.

Don’t be so sure; both DSs we’ve build in the past year are the only car in the household and used for everyday* driving and to go on holidays as well. On one we’ve even modified the charge communication module so the owner can charge on a campsite without tripping a fuse.
*One owner is a cyclist who uses his recumbent more than his car.

Cheap money has changed a lot of things, a hundred thousand pound Taycan is a decision about how much you can send to the finance company each month - it's not the Loadsa-money statement that it used to be prior to PCP. It absolutely is a status car- but, not in the way that that sort of price band/brand used to be.

The EV swapped DS is a whole other level though - you're not going to be able to sign up to cheap finance, you'll have to pay VAT and potentially import tax on it, which items alone would probably be four months payments on the Taycan, it's (to those who know, which will be a small group) a much more direct demonstration that you have $ than e.g. a Panamera.

All the more so because a Taycan is around a thousand times more practical, but then the EV-DS is a thousand times more cool.

Stealth Wealth

Just wondered that is all. Thought you might know in passing.

How is it mis interpretation? Really not an arguement, am asking. You made the safety point.

By the way, I was seriously thinking of buying the UK DS i mentioned, as a car to be converted to electric. The intention to be my everyday car, keeping my ICE cars for best. So it is a plaything, or me looking in to a way to change my life, and do it for cost of a second hand car.

Did I offend ?
Miss all previous posts on MX5 track car build ?

I took it a coquettish, let's not go there.

Have had cars that ran sticky plates in odd places.

Not at all. I was trying to get away with not admitting that I just don't have a front plate on that car.

I need some reassurance im not effin this up.

So im getting a spacer going by feel as the wheels cant be test fitted to measure what would works better with the wheels in place.

Old rear wheels = 8" with ET of 33mm
New rear wheels = 9" with Et of 53.5mm

Im sure theres a much easier way of thinking about this but here are the thoughts keeping my up :)

The old wheel was 8" = 20.32cm in width total.
The centerpoint of this rim is at 10.16cm.
But since the Et is 33mm the wheel would "protroud" inwards from the mounting point of the hub with a distance of 10.16cm+33mm = 13.46cm
So the rim edge would end up 13.46cm in from the mounting point.

The new wheels is 9" = 22.86cm
The centerpoint of this rim is at 11.43cm
But since the et is 53.5 mm the wheel would "protroud" inwards from the mounting point of the hub with a distance of 11.43cm + 53.5mm = 16.78cm.
So the rim edge would end up 16.78cm in from the mounting point.

The differrence between the wheels inwards protrouding length (theres likely a better word here that i cant come up with) = 16.78cm - 13.46 = 3.32 cm

Thats quite a lot. I guess this means (unless im thinking wrong) that the outer edge must be (since the new rim is 1" wider) 3.32 - 2,54 = 0.78cm more inwards than the older rim despite beeing an inch wider.

Now a 18mm spacer (the thinnest they can make for a spacer that changes bcd with the new center bore diameter) would make the new rims outer edge sit at 1.8cm - 0.78cm = 1.02cm more outward. And the inner edge of the rim would now be 3.32cm + the spacer of 1.8cm = 1,52cm more inwards than the older wheel. Which seem correct since 1.02 + 1.52 = 2.54 = 1"

Now providing this is correct does that seem like a good way to start with a spacer, just say yes!
Ha dont want to go more outwards and they cant make a thinner spacer so i guess thats where im at if my math is not bonkers.

This site can be helpful, doesn't include spacers but I'll give you a ballpark
https://www.willtheyfit.com/

Doh ofc there was a site like that.

Thanks!

I think it pretty much confirms my calculations. If its enough space between the rim / tire vs struts etc i guess i will find out eventually.

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Your maths and logic look good to me.

The first thing that I'm thinking is that a rim size difference of an inch and still running a 245 tyre width, would a bit extra mm on the space be helpful in the future if fitting wider tyres?

Would also say that after new rims, are you going to get the suspension set up properly? Making sure that the tyre footprint is square on the floor. Also how much adjustment is in the standard suspension, I don't know, sure in can be tweaked to be perfect.

Good questions. If i could test fit the wheels it would be much easier to make assumption about what tires that could be fitted without just guessing. On the new wheels the tire fitted are 265 width for the rear and it did fit a ghibli but on the 95 years models and forward the rear wheel house had the wheel house panel bend in a u shape making the panel above the wheel thinner. Whilst on my 94 the panel edge is a 90 degree bend inwards making the potential interference from a larger tire. Hence im not sure if its a good idea to go with a slightly larger spacer for the possibilty to fit the 265s which may not work anyways.

But yeah i have thought about it since normal 265s could potentially fit (not these i think with the R sidewall as it will be to tight. Would be nicer and its quite tailhappy as well so perhaps could tone that down a bit with more rubber.

Yes i was thinking if i can get these wheels to work eventually and i have spent cash on new rubber as well i might as well just pay for what we call a 4 wheel setting to make sure the camber is correct etc. Im a novice about this stuff so i wouldent know how much the suspension can be changed tbh. I know i have 4 settings by pressing buttons tho .) Since it will be somewhat of a money pit operation regardless i might as well throw a tad more to it and get it done right.

Would like new federale 265 / 45 fetch any cash used btw? like a 100-200 miles or similar.

Sorry, am a few beers in, and know a little. More for 60-70s cars that I played with rather than modernish stuff.

I assumed that you knew what tyre widths you were using, hence the comment. Nothing more than that. Warning is that if I am talking to people I am cautious, but if it was my car I am alot more devil may care. Have worked at a car maker that had there brand new cars straight from the factory that were so variable, suspension wise (out of spec) that lots of things were being checked to see if there was an assembly of body panel problem, on other part problems. Was little more than a project manager with automotive knowledge.

I have no idea about your ghibli, I have a little bi turbo knowledge. All that told me, is not even masa/masa experts know what masa did. Think I still have a stamped 5j rim that masa specialists claim that masa never made. In theory there should be alot of adjustabilty as it is a supercar and different tyre maker and different tyre models have differing tyre widths for the alegdly same sized tyre. Just like cycle tyres it is the same for all tyres.

In the Uk, I'd say yes second hand tyres with provenance are worth a bit. Else where I have no idea. Scary thing is I thing the xtype has 17inch 8.5j wheels run 225 tyres the same tyre width used 17-8j 17- 8.5j 18-8l 18- 8,5j and 19 - 8.5j while the 9j in either 18-19 get 255 width tyres and that makes no sense to me.

Maybe print one yourself?