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I do still see Acid as a form of Techno rather than House as it has no sampled disco elements
This was what I found contentious as it’s clear to me that there are many disco samples in the techno canon. It appears you are now saying not the groove of disco which is quite different.
Also for me good music is good music and much of it is part of a continuous evolution and gradual change with occasional rare paradigm shifts. I tend to prefer artists and DJs who focus on good music rather than a particular genre be it Francois Kevorkian, Carl Craig, 4 Hero or Helmut Geier.
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I tend to prefer artists and DJs who focus on good music rather than a particular genre
Yes, totally agree. However this is a discussion about what is Techno in the Techno thread! Mainly at the moment discussing Techno vs Electro origins or during the occasional rare paradigm shift if you prefer, which happened prior to the existence of UR.
Sampled disco elements ≠ samples of disco records. I think other people got that. There's plenty of great genre straddling tunes though, just not that useful to discuss them in this context.
I hear you about your understanding and love of Techno. To me it's Detroit Tech and not Techno and they are different but that's just me.
Airhead
Generally Detroit Tech is closer to Electro in terms of the sampled elements and use of funk grooves. The reference to Disco and House should be pretty obvious, clearly you can use Disco samples in Techno that don't make it house but you wouldn't be using the groove of disco in Techno as that would make it sound like house.
In any case UR came too late to be origins of Techno. They may well have defined Techno at a time when ground was being broken in Trance or Big Beat which is fine but not that useful if you're discussing the difference between Electro and Techno when Techno emerged.
Gave Climax a listen and I wouldn't personally consider that Techno. Not that I have anything against it, just wouldn't mix with what I consider Techno.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arcN5z1ljYE
This would though, just about.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QV2QfKEcXEM