• Currently If I try to raise the bars the RAD becomes too long and the only way to mitigate this would be to find bars with a huge sweep back but then the bars will be behind the steering axle with a negative value SHO
    So it appears I need to swap out to a smaller frame at which point I can achieve near perfect RAAD SHO and RAD.

    I think this is the predicament that Kidneys was referring to and I suspect it was in jest…

    It sounds like you’re heavily invested in this glorified stack and reach RAD business and maybe not open to just trying high rise bars!
    So I’ll echo what snottyotter says, 50% of retail is what I’d aim to pay.
    But I’ll say it just one more time, I’d try spending 2.5% of retail on high rise bars first.

  • Sounds like you want something more chuckable.

  • The frame swap won’t cost me much/anything as I am looking for a second hand one in the right size and I’ll then sell mine!

    Aye thats fair enough I suppose. It just all sounds a bit drastic but if your current frame really feels too long then go for it.

    Is it possible that you've just not got used to the new breed of long low and slack bikes?
    If your last bike predates the LLS era then it could be that you need to adapt your riding style to newer longer frames.
    The tendency on older geo bikes was to get your arse right off the back over the rear wheel when going downhill. On newer bikes it takes a wee bit of adapting to riding downhill with the weight bias a little more over the front wheel. This can take a bit of getting used to and I still tend to automatically get my arse over the rear wheel even when it's detrimental.

    I looked at the geo charts and the reach on the Large and XL is really loooong. What size is your current frame and what height are you?

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