• I mean, that's just bro talk for stack and reach.

  • Kind of but more importantly it’s the hypotenuse that is the most important for basic fit. Then stack and reach need to be adjusted for the type of riding. Also the basic stack and reach of a frame don’t take into account the huge variations available due to stem lengths (32 -110mm),bar rise (o-40mm) and bar backsweep (often ranging from 10-60mm) and spacer stack

    So with my current bike I can get the hypotenuse but the front end is about 4cm lower than I need it to be. Raise it up with spacers or bars and then the hypotenuse becomes too long because the reach is too long.

    Stem and bars can only do so much to accommodate but I need inverse shim stem as the frame is just too long.

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