Techno

https://soundcloud.com/mira_kater/mira-445-ersatzkatzen-tanzen-aufm-hopper-may-1st-22-kater-blau-berlin

..also this, a bit on the darker side, from Mira's big party a while ago 🥰

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The new CDW is all sorts of psy trance but stays tasteful. The whole EP is very trancy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38L2V_eLDTI

new CDW is all sorts of psy trance but stays tasteful. The whole EP is very trancy.

to me it sounds sterile as always, just with a few esoteric sounds thrown in 💁

to me it sounds sterile as always, just with a few esoteric sounds thrown in 💁

So, Techno then :)

..pretty much, yes! 🙂

Not sure if this is the right thread, but I'm really getting into Darksynth / Synthwave / Outrun type music at the mo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wy9r2qeouiQ

Dear God no!

I don't think the history and lineage of the synthwave etc. genres meshes with Techno that well.

Not to detract from quality or enjoyment of it, just that Techno becomes such a big genre if you put these other types in. I think it's close to Electro but Electro and Techno were clearly defined and separate in the late 80's.

tldr Dear God no!

Electro and Techno were clearly defined and separate in the late 80's

please elaborate

It was easy at that stage to hear the difference but these days the genre lines seem to be more blurred. I think it comes down to the huge amount of electronic music out there. It's difficult to keep a grasp of sub-genres. Lots of other reasons too.

I guess ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i46sF1PcqL8

vs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALsHox5sYCk

Of course they are 7 years apart!

This is closer to the edge of electro and techno...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNz01ty-kTQ

At this point you could just discuss the 808 and 909, maybe end up at Plastikman, look at German Minimal, back to Detroit Tech and onto Jungle.

https://youtu.be/k9E3XqVtcIc

Thanks @Airhead - I guess I never really got a grip on what's what, as, frankly, I was not listening to much techno (or any "electronic music" for that matter) back when this all developed.
Basically I always thought something with a really straight, pounding bass is "techno" and the rest is something else, and often I wasn't sure what exactly 💁

Now the lines are very much blurred and there's so many sub-genres as you say it's hard to keep track if you're not super into that specific spectrum of music.
I remember we talked about "what exactly is minimal" in this thread, and remember when speaking to friends (avid club-goers here in Berlin) they were often at loss to what's what exactly as well..

The only people I know who can properly define a genre are the kind of DJ's who were only playing that genre at the height of its popularity. I was listening to Electro and then Techno avidly so it's one part of the puzzle I have a chance about.

It helps to look at Musique Concrete -> Synths in Rock/Prog -> CS80 -> Chariots of Fire/Gary Numan -> Kraftwork -> Electro. Then you have the basis for pretty much everything on that side which tends to be Electro. That's really Electronic music.

House has Disco influences, when you drop those you get Techno. When you add chord progressions you get Trance.

There's a decent book called Electronica Dance Music Programming Secrets, the edition I have was published in 2000. It shows how to program the different basic styles that had developed then.

I don't claim to be able to define all dance/electronic music into genres and I've been playing and collecting it since day one. I've got pretty good at deciding what Techno is for my own purposes and you're right it's a distinct kick drum that combines with the bass line. Probably a simple pattern in an 'acid' type synth sound and some other contrasting sounds for effect. Some break downs and builds.

Bear in mind that Richie Hawtin went to Berlin with music he had been making using a 909 and a sampler triggered by the 909. It was very simple but you need to be able to balance the sounds and patterns in such a way that it holds peoples interest.

Oldie but a goodie

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtHbKt5QbLE

It’s more complex. But I think your understanding of techno is how many see it.

However “techno” came from Detroit. There was a compilation that was going to be called the House Sound of Detroit but instead it got named the Techno! The New Dance Sound of Detroit. At the time house from Chicago had a predominant 4/4 kick but many of the tracks on the Techno Sound of Detroit compilation though full of percussive elements were not so 4/4 jacking as Chicago tracks of that era. However the baselines etc were clearly not as disco derived as Chicago and the music had a more synthetic/electronic feel. Tracks like Big Fun would probably fit in more with what people consider house music to be.

https://youtu.be/qpKOcyE71zM

There had been a prior album The House Sound of Chicago, there has always been a crossover between Chicago and Detroit so the Detroit album was the counterpart.

“techno” came from Detroit

The Germans might argue with you about that.

DJ Talla in Frankfurt in 1984?

There was also The Unknown DJ on Techno Hop records from LA in 1984 a label putting out electro…

Mad that Talla 2XLC is still doing stuff these days. Trance mostly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxcqE4cxF2g

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNPD2iPl0DM

I have a cassette version of 'The House Sound of London' from bitd, volume 4 of the series. It has D.S. Building Contractors - One For The Burglar on it. One of my favourite tunes of the time, the producers got quite famous later on!

Agreed it's more complex, I am aware of Detroit Techno (I did post a Juan Atkins track as an example) and I also chose to leave out the Hip Hop/Electro connection which is another easy way to identify different origins. I've watched more than a few great documentaries on the early days and read a few books but I thought I might try and simplify it.

Thing is that early Detroit Techno can have more in common with House and Electro than Techno now.

Seems like the few comments above are headed towards origins and splitting hairs between Techno/Detroit Tech and Electro and there are unlikely to be any winners in that one.

I don't agree entirely with this map but it's good in some regards.

https://music.ishkur.com/

But I think your understanding of techno is how many see it.

I am trying to present a agreeable compromise about the definition.

D.S. Building Contractors - One For The Burglar on it. One of my favourite tunes of the time, the producers got quite famous later on!

"Paul Hartnoll" for anyone else that just had to know...