bdhu

Just beat me to it!

lol

Surely that is an ironic statement

That would be fine with the bars rotated down about 20 degrees.

Stuart O'Grady's Paris Roubaix bike

Look at this beauty from Sagan

Stybar straight trolling Hulsroy

Maybe with the majority getting it wrong and the few getting it right...

BDHU is actually incorrect and mads is just been trolling?!!

Does my logical arguments not resonate with you?

I don't think there's any right position for those bars

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The height of that front mudguard! MDWU

Check out CP. They are not actually mounted

Ah fair enough.

I got it on page 4 or 5, especially with the white Cannondale. So I will re-do my setup this weekend. As @snoops posted I have had a look in bar manuals from for example Ritchey, and wow why was I so wrong all the time? Where came the horizontal flat line stem-bar(top)-hoods thing from which I was always aiming? I did even *feel that the rotation is somehow wrong (especially when I had the VentureMax), that I can’t achieve my goal of this stupid line.

So I am feeling now enlightened, great thread and reading here.

Also look at Salsa, a good example of ,I was also there‘ ha!

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ok you think?

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Maybe bar including hoods down a little bit? Hard with these bars probably but no expert here

Bars rotate further down hoods stay imo. But those are tricky bars

so what's the de facto #bdhu equivalent setup for flat bars with backsweep? grip area parallel to the ground? slightly rolled forwards? whatever feels comfortable?

Nope. Ends on the bars horizontal, then set up the hoods IMO

I want to thank @Hulsroy for bring this into my life, I now have usable drop bars after taking exactly [undisclosed amount] of hours moving my bars and levers back and forth

Actually obvious when you think about it, I got a closer drop and about 10mm less reach

AND MOST IMPORTANTLY

it looked better after