• Like Subaru but ultimately owning an ‘outdoorsy’ car never made a difference as to whether or not I spent time outdoors.

    Same vibe, I and my partner was oo and ahhing on whether should we get a small van for the "outdoorsy" shit we like, sleep in it, carry bike, etc.

    Turn out the best thing to do is just keep her old Ford Fiesta* that take 16 second to hit 60mph which suffice in all kind of outdoor stuff and put a bike/tent in it.

    *The Pyreneans seemed to be exclusively driving on 80's underpowered hatchback on mountain gravel road rather than big American style 4x4 that get stuck a lots.

  • Exactly. I’ve become pretty anti car tbh. Somewhat necessary here to own one, but people here use them so unnecessarily. For like the shortest journeys ever. And more often than not it’s one person in every car - never more.

  • You are a thought leader. I'm also going car free. Ideally I would also have a stump jumper.

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