This morning's commute and other commuting stories

The lines I've circled mean "Give way to traffic on major road". It's bizarre they haven't painted them on the other side of the crossing too (but not really surprising given the lack of thought out into most cycle infrastructure).

^ is probably right, treat as a zebra crossing.

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It's called a Tiger Crossing. Pedestrians and cyclists have priority. This is quite an old one which isn't quite correct to the finalised DfT design. It shouldn't have the give way on the cyclepath.

You should exert you authority and cross, but as these are still unusual, watch traffic like a hawk and cross slowly.

I always cut across the road before this point - it's an unnecessary extra few metres and no fucker in a car will stop for you anyway

Who has right of way here?

Everyone has a right of way here that has a right to use to the highway.

Priority is the term, and is a confused mess in the courts. A driver can run you down from behind and blame the sun, they can cut across you at a crossroads and blame your visibility...

In the new highway code priority lies with the more vulnerable user, in most cases( are there any where it's still ambiguous?). A cyclist has priority over a motor vehicle, this is a tiger crossing that's supposed to offer the same utility a zebra crossing offers a pedestrian. And priority to the crossing traffic over those using the carriageway.

They're boys perfect due to a lack of a respectful culture on our roads, but at least they are a step towards reversing motor dominance. Tiger crossings are rare because council engineers are anxious about what their implementation, but they do represent a reasonable engineering solution...

Yeah I never trust that a car will stop (unless they are already stopped) pretty sure there will be a horrible accident here at some point.

fun little off road detour through St James Park whilst they close the roads for 6 weeks...

This is going to get really tiresome. Kettled by plod at one of the pedestrian crossings before they admitted that the horse and brass band people would be using the road for an hour. Ended up sneaking through a bit of barrier that wasn't closed up properly, didn't get tasered.

Yeah I think itll be a bit of a pain for the next few weeks. I commute fairly early so miss the most of the pedestrian traffic luckily. Though im sure there's an easier route in to avoid it all.

I find these crossings to be more hassle than they're worth. There's three in hackney on my commute (two either side of clapton sq and another one crossing morning lane from the bike path next to st john's church). Generally I've noticed that most drivers seem to understand who's supposed to have priority, but I've had enough near misses from drivers who (quite understandably, IMO) don't realise it's for cyclists as well as peds. Sometimes they slow down for road traffic giving the impression they're going to let you cross but then keep driving. V confusing. They've also recently installed one of these on phillip lane in tottenham, but I think drivers are a lot less used to seeing any cycling infrastructure round there so they just completely ignore it.

They've also recently installed one of these on phillip lane in tottenham, but I think drivers are a lot less used to seeing any cycling infrastructure round there so they just completely ignore it.

It's more just that Tottenham has its own traffic rules. They are

1. you can do whatever you want as long as you do it slowly
   
2. keep a rough tally in your head of times you let someone out vs got let out and try to keep them roughly in line
   
3. if you don't plan to obey rules 1 and 2 you must rev your engine loudly at all times to
   indicate this
   
   

Tottenham is quite a chilled out place to cycle once you know this

Wasn't sure where to post this or if it's been shared before. The cycle lane between St James' Park, Green Park and Hyde Park closed for 6-7 weeks for Queen's Jubilee celebrations. [ 3rd May - mid June ] Rode down the Mall in the direction of the Palace this morning and Constitution Hill is completely fenced off.
https://www.mylondon.news/news/zone-1-news/london-cyclists-uproar-queens-platinum-23852225

Yeah, we were talking about this upthread. It's a pain in the arse and there's some seriously bad riding on pavements through all the parks in the area as a result.

It's a shambles, when I did it at the end of last week all cyclists were being directed down a "no cycling" path in St James Park causing havoc, I felt bad for the pedestrians. Fuck the monarchy, bring on the revolution

Was crossing from the side without the give way lines on Saturday and a cab decided to make a point of trying to run me down for the audacity of it (I assume in his mind a cyclist can't use a crossing without dismounting and therefore deserved it but, who knows?)

I previously thought the bike lane being inside the beacons gave it equal status/right of way to the pedestrian crossing behind it (as opposed to being a button activated Toucan crossing as with the one further up on Newington Causeway) I've witnessed enough near misses here to try and seek some sort of clear answer from Southwark but I imagine it's the developers of the new residential bits who are responsible and therefore probably applying DfT guidelines pretty loosely?

I've witnessed enough near misses here to try and seek some sort of clear answer from Southwark but I imagine it's the developers of the new residential bits who are responsible and therefore probably applying DfT guidelines pretty loosely?

The Tiger crossing is part of Cycleway 17 (was a Quietway), so a TfL/Southwark built route. This Tiger crossing is quite old, it was put in before DfT guidelines for Tiger crossings were finalised. So not their fault, but really it should be updated to the proper design now that its been adopted.

I used that tiger crossing a lot and would often be totally ignored by drivers.

They need clear signage for drivers informing them that it is pedestrian and cyclist priority. Maybe a speed bump a little before it too (in both directions). Only way I think they'll be effective.

How about a low wall, say 2 feet tall?

Those Tiger crossings are horrible (I didn't know their name before, thanks LUFGUSS). Nobody really seems to know how they're supposed to work. I'm never going to just ride straight through one because I'm not at all confident that drivers will stop. I do think that cyclists giving way to drivers on them (because they don't want to get creamed by someone who doesn't know the highway code) probably makes a lot of drivers mistakenly believe that cyclists SHOULD give way in that situation so probably makes them more likely to barrel through the next one.

The give way lines on the road don't help

CS7 was a nodderfest of rlj and madcap positioning this morning- summer has started!

summer deffo hasn't started in the midlands - i got drenched this morning.
at least it was a good test of my new waterproof bag.

Cycling at the beginning of London Bridge heading south at 8:30am with the flood of commuters is basically Russian roulette with amount of ped risking not to wait at the light for 10 seconds…

Rode along the C2 Whitechapel cycleway for the first time in a few years. Oh man what a stressful assault course that bike lane is, between the peds and narrow wiggly bike lane that comes and goes.

Neither my trousers nor bottle cage faired too well from this morning’s spin to the office.

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Ouch, all ok?

I had a humbling reminder on that lush left hander from Hyde Park Corner into Victoria road this morning. Too wide too fast. I was cocky. Managed to reign it in luckily...