• Had no idea they ever made a hand-wound El Primero (given the name refers to it supposedly being "the first" automatic chronograph movement).

    Yeah, there are thinner watches on the market for sure. I honestly think that thinness is something that generates a lot of noise in the comments sections but probably doesn't affect overall sales all that much. Same thing as date windows. A vocal minority hates them, but many customers would never buy a watch without a date. Again, same with automatic winding.

    Having said that, looking at the market I think there's a shift happening towards more choice. There are more options now for people who want something smaller / hand wound / without a date. The watch internet (by which I mean recent stuff like Hoodwinkee, Instagram, Teddy Baldassarre etc) and online groupthink is definitely changing what people are demanding from watch brands. But it takes a while for the brands to respond to that.

  • I agree it does seem a bit of a weird variation for an El Primero. Its this one. An earlier version of which I noticed in a read back through the thread got a kicking a few pages ago ... LoL. I love it, probably my favourite watch and definitely would be the last to go.

    Best not get started on date windows ... I don't mind a date but I absolutely detest contrasting date wheels, especially in an otherwise single colour dial. If its a panda dial or similar I can sort of understand it, but a black dial with a white date wheel just grates.


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  • I think a white date wheel on a black dial can make sense if it's taking the place of a marker or lume plot that would otherwise be there. But that's very dial-dependent.

  • Pilots? Is it 44mm or there abouts ? Very cool.

  • Best not get started on date windows ... I don't mind a date but I absolutely detest contrasting date wheels, especially in an otherwise single colour dial. If its a panda dial or similar I can sort of understand it, but a black dial with a white date wheel just grates.

    I'd take a miscoloured date wheel over a sideways number not in the same font or style cutting up its neighbours to fit its skinny ass in there. Fuck that.

  • This is giving massive Blancpain vibes

  • How about a contrasting year? This is a one-off platinum sapphire version of the most complicated watch in the world (at the time), commissioned by the Sultan of Brunei. Presumably he wanted it this way.

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