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Not sure I can describe it accurately, but there is some pain in the front part of the knee if riding with vans on the flat part of the pedal,
Pedals are the SH500 same as @chris0 up there.
No such pain when using the same pedal with clipless shoe (Shimano xc5) on the same seat height or when I was using MKS gamma before.
Same here, had to lower the seat else knee pain in longish ride in flat.