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  • I like DRS for being like a power up in a computer game. It feels like either tracks need to be wider, cars much smaller or DRS is needed to allow overtaking. Yesterday felt hampered due to the lack of DRS / overtaking. Especially as I expect the team managers were expecting DRS to be online earlier in the race.

  • Problem is that it's artificial, it allows ridiculous spectacles such as we had with drivers emergency braking to pass the DRS activation line second, and if the car ahead of you gets DRS from another car up the road then it doesn't help you overtake anyway - so it comes down to luck as much as anything as to whether its effective.

    I thought the move to bouncy castle aero was meant to allow closer running and more traditional overtaking?

  • Porpoising just makes things erratic and thus throws an element of unpredictable luck into the equation. It seems to be like speed wobble on a bike. Two different drivers in the same car and one suffers it and the other does not.

  • The new rules do allow sustained closer running but they were designed with DRS as part of them. It may be that they slowly ween the teams off DRS over time. I don’t think it will help if they suddenly go cold turkey.

    Overtaking was doubly difficult yesterday because for the majority of the race there was a single dry line and the straight isn’t long enough for a traditional slipstream overtake.

  • DRS might be artificial and a spectacle, but shouldn't f1 be a spectacle?
    better that than a boring procession for 60 odd laps as was previous.
    the porpoising just makes a joke of f1 for me, supposedly the pinnacle of engineering technology, having cars bouncing down the track isn't a good look.

  • plus, I hate the term porpoising.
    just call it bouncing FFS!

  • Just my own speculation what Merc have got wrong with their car. Traditionally they've run a car with not much rake and a lot of rear wing. That means they were relying on the rear wing for a lot of its rear downforce. Red Bull on the other hand have traditionally run a car with much less rear wing and used the floor for the bulk of its downforce. The floor and rear diffuser is a more efficient way of generating downforce than the rear wing. I'd wager that Merc have struggled transitioning from relying on wing to relying on the floor and they're not fully understanding what's going on because they're more used to doing it the other way.

  • DRS might be artificial and a spectacle, but shouldn't f1 be a spectacle?

    better that than a boring procession for 60 odd laps as was previous.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeLK9UftveA

  • not sure using cars from 1979 is a solution either... ;)

  • I'm no aerodynamicist (I did have a few modules on it at uni, but even then it seems like black magic in all but the most simple applications), but I'd be willing to wager the slim sidepod design that results in a much wider unsupported section of floor could be at play in terms of how unpredictable the behaviour is.

    Will definitely be interesting in a season or two (assuming they resolve the issue), hearing a proper debrief on the issues and how they solved them.

  • not sure using cars from 1979 is a solution either... ;)

    Give them modern crash performance without ruining the dynamics and I think they'd be amazing.

  • Conversely:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlqWlM-YI_s

    This is the main reason I'm so glad Melbourne is no longer the opening race of the season. Every year without fail, constant complaining about the regulations not allowing overtaking on a track that has been consistently shit for overtaking.

    The bulk of F1 races in the 70s/80s resulted in a load of cars DNF-ing due to reliability issues with a massive field spread.

    It's all well and good being able to cherry pick a decent battle or two from a 20 year period. But I challenge you to find a few decent races from those periods that are actually worth watching start to finish.

    Don't get me wrong, I'd love nothing more than watching a field of these racing over the course of a full season (safety regs permitting):

    But modern F1 has always been a compromise between listening to the whining of people that the cars aren't fast/technologically advanced enough, and listening to the whining of people that the cars can't race wheel to wheel. Despite those two things generally being in direct opposition to each other. Personally I think the move F1 have made with this season's regulations has gone as well as can be expected.

  • Page 355 in the F1 thread has reminded me that Ferrari once made cool cars.

  • A very close friend of mine is senior trackside aerodynamicist for Merc. To end speculation; it’s the floor.

  • Where the fuck have you been for the last 12 months? Hello!

  • Oh hai. Just lurking. 😊

  • I imagine that there's some sort of "you may only have four (4) wheels" regulation in play, but surely just bolting a skateboard truck under each corner of the floor on the Mercedes would totally resolve the problem?

  • Top lolz from Hamilton:

    https://youtu.be/WKnYVITl1o4

  • I’m quite surprised that this track is considered safe for F1 races. Gonna be a crash fest isn’t?

  • Doesn't seem a million miles away from Jeddah to be honest. Also looks like it'll be utter shite for racing on too. Willing to guess it'll be the same story for Las Vegas too.

  • Also: Sainz. M8. pls.

  • Is this circuit for real?

    That twisty section looks almost undriveable in an F1 car

  • That chicane before the back straight looks even worse than that one at Singapore they ended up getting rid of:

    https://youtu.be/We3Zo6iR-2g

  • Not taken by this track at all. See how the race pans out but I’m going to struggle to stay up late for it.

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