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• #20527
There is nothing about that bike which does not look sexy! That’s real porn!
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• #20528
Two stroke nationals at Glenhelen. Stinky.
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• #20530
I sat on a 2022 'Bus at the bike show, it is too small for me.
Same with ZZR1400 actually.
Always fancied a zzr14, but jumping on it there was nowhere for my knees to comfortably sit.Another reason why I go for adventure type bikes, they are montstrous rider friendly.
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• #20531
Absolutely in love.
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• #20532
Plus, how it started vs how it’s going.
Need a couple tight roads and they’ll be scrubbed in good. Only went to Weston Super Mare and home again, so it wasn’t a fair ride to touch sidewall.
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• #20533
I've been wanting a new toy for a long time and was thinking of trading in my GTI for a much faster and more expensive car, but I've ditched that idea for finally getting myself a motorcycle. This allows me to drive the GTI in the snow and keeps the toy for fairweather days. Also saves me a lot of money.
I'm an excellent biker.... bmx, raced downhill, lots of freeride, even trials. I've spent two decades in dense city traffic on a brakeless fixed gear. I've done tours. Needless to say I respect traffic and the vulnerability that being on two wheels entails, and I can ride.
I've ridden a cb500 quite a bit as well. I've never driven an automatic, so clutch stuff is second nature to me. I'm 42 and I'm responsible and I'm not looking to impress anyone, or ride like as asshat... But I definitely want a fast exhilarating ride. We have a lot of clean open country side roads where I live now and I'd like the bike to have some kick.
I've been looking at pretty powerful bikes such at a street triple, thruxton RS, MT10, even the s1000r. My 65 year old neighbor who has been riding for decades has a shop and has pointed me in this direction.
I do not have the time or desire to work on my own bikes - I've got enough "hobbies", I work a lot, and I've got a family - so I just want something new that I'll just bring in for service intervals.
Am I making a mistake buy going for these bikes? Advice? Last thing I want is to get hurt. Second to last thing I want is to buy something ignorant.
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• #20534
I think buying a bike and swapping it in after a season is totally the norm, so if it was a first bike, or first bike for a while I'd look at something with a smaller CC to get the juices flowing then move on when you're bored of it. Even a basic 600 bandit is more than capable of blowing your socks off if used correctly.
But that's a boring safe answer...
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• #20535
I feel like the biggest reason is to get something without traction control and less power so I can safely find the limit.
That's the part I'm stuck on. A giant new bike with traction control is probably a bad way to learn.
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• #20536
You think that rider aids that will reduce your risk of crashing, is going to increase your risk of crashing??
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• #20537
Get something with 120bhp ish not more. Honestly much more fun that 170bhp on the road. Will be more than fast enough and can ride it at nine tenths when the opportunity allows.
If you've a licence just go test ride stuff and see what you fit on.
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• #20538
Street triple!
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• #20539
I feel like the biggest reason is to get something without traction control and less power so I can safely find the limit.
Why not TC?
Get it out of your head that you’ll reach the limit of any bike. Even if you can, unless you’re on the track, don’t try to.
Never ride 100% or find the ‘limit’ of the bike, because you might not be able to come back from said limit.Nothing wrong with TC or electronics. I find it an odd cognitive bias when people disregard safety measures. Why not drive without a seatbelt?
If you’re riding for fun, get the electronics, ride in peace on sketchy country roads. if you’re gonna ride on track, turn them off and go fucking ham.
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• #20540
By the by, I don’t know about the Thruxton but the other 3 bikes are very fast, very very fast and lunacy. I’d want a lot more hours in before getting an MT10 or S1000RR. Striples are a total frigging gas too - light as well as fast.
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• #20541
I'm am 100% sure that I don't want to be finding any sort of limits when I'm leant into a bend doing 60mph
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• #20542
Would echo that finding the limit basically means crashing. Modern 3 axis ABS and Traction control is pretty miraculous stuff.
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• #20543
When riding for fun, get your satisfaction from doing it well. You shouldn't be near the limits unless you've made a mistake. Don't get a litre sports bike until you've stopped making mistakes on a 600. Try v twins and inline fours. They feel so different. You won't know which you prefer until you ride them.
Get some advanced training. The experience you describe hasn't taught you how to pick good lines on fast country roads. People who are good in town often struggle with this, and then have terrible crashes. Lessons at a track don't teach you this either.
And get an airbag jacket and armoured everything.
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• #20544
I have traction control.
Only managed to get the warning light flashing once and that was tearing away from the lights in drizzle.
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• #20545
I'm listening.
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• #20546
Why not TC?
Get it out of your head that you’ll reach the limit of any bike. Even if you can, unless you’re on the track, don’t try to.
Never ride 100% or find the ‘limit’ of the bike, because you might not be able to come back from said limit.Nothing wrong with TC or electronics. I find it an odd cognitive bias when people disregard safety measures. Why not drive without a seatbelt?
If you’re riding for fun, get the electronics, ride in peace on sketchy country roads. if you’re gonna ride on track, turn them off and go fucking ham.
This makes sense.
I'm definitely in the gathering information stage here and appreciate the input from those with experience.
Thanks all.
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• #20547
how to pick good lines on fast country roads.
Last weekend an ex-police-trainer advanced riding training guy did a couple hour talk for local riders. It was on the back of all the recent crashes and fatalities in and around Swindon. Very interesting stuff.
He skimmed over a lot of stuff because it was a very brief, cramming 3 days into 2 hours. Vanishing points, early/late apex and road vs race line, positioning, IAM vs other training, overtaking and how and when especially on bends etc.
Points hammered home - don’t overtake on junctions, don’t bother speeding in 30/40/50 limits, read the road well ahead to reduce anxiety but don’t forget to scan the ground in front as well.
Similar to the Biker Down talk, discussing looming and other phenomena… a lot is second nature but you need to make it conscious.
Since the talk, on roads I know well, I was looking at all the stuff to read the terrain and topo to give me clues on road shape and such.
Tl:dr - yes. Advanced training.
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• #20548
So let's take down to the sub-liter bikes. New. Any stong recommendation? Not ruling out the street triple, because I do like it, but interested to hear about less lunatic recommendations.
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• #20549
I honestly can't imagine not reading the road and being sure my line of sight has some distance to it. Even on roads I know.
I guess you can let your guard down here and there, and one days all the variable turn you into a statistic. Probably how it happens.
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• #20550
ZX9 or something
Just look at those famous bars ;)