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• #72127
I'm not sure if I'm missing something - is this Rwanda thing real? I assumed it was just a bullshit announcement to bury something, forgotten by tomorrow, like his bridges to Ireland or whatever.
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• #72128
Can only hope yeah?
However
Expecting the usual “yes, well, voters (‘Little People’ to paraphrase John Crace) use mid-term by-elections to offer critical analysis and perspective (lol) to the party they support (meaning we’ll do a good impression of listening carefully and then basically ignore them as they’ll still vote for use later)” lines trotted out when they scrape a smaller than usual majority return in 5, 4, 3… next several years -
• #72129
It's real but as far as I can tell it's another example if poorly negotiation on the part of the UK government a couple of points I've picked up on so far:
- The UK government is paying the Rwandan government almost as much per person "relocated" as it would cost to feed / house / process their asylum claim in the UK. This is AFTER they've paid the relocation costs.
- If a person is removed to Rwanda and then leaves and makes their way back to the UK the Rwandan government does not have to take them back, and according to the minister interviewed on PM this evening they won't take them either (but I think they keep the money - as best I can tell anyway there is very little concrete policy in this announcement quelle suprise!)
It is likely to be defeated in the lord's and will be challenged in the courts so even if it does go ahead it is years ahead enough time for a grown up to come to power and row back the legislation. I'm fairly sure the government knows this.
It strikes me this has been rushed through so they can be seen to be doing something on a hot-button topic that the nasty, miserable xenophobes who vote for them. Also to try to divert attention away from the mess that boho had got himself into.
- The UK government is paying the Rwandan government almost as much per person "relocated" as it would cost to feed / house / process their asylum claim in the UK. This is AFTER they've paid the relocation costs.
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• #72130
The change was Wakefield returning a Tory MP so a return to business as usual would be welcome and a nice slap across the face of cunty mccuntface and his band of merry fannies.
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• #72131
Quite so
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• #72132
Hope you arent fans of coffee, avocados or bananas
https://www.theguardian.com/food/ng-interactive/2022/apr/14/climate-crisis-food-systems-not-ready-biodiversity -
• #72133
Why 1980s Oxford holds the key to Britain’s ruling class
https://www.ft.com/content/2fa1e436-a5c7-43b1-9e5a-b1e1b43b8c3a -
• #72134
Interesting thread by Sunder Katwala on Twitter- there's no legal basis for the UK to deport/render asylum seekers to Rwanda. May mean that this has to be voluntary - for a group of people 80-90% of which have a claim that would be accepted for asylum in the UK.
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• #72135
Cease with all the paywalled stuff. Why try to contribute to a conversation with things most involved can't access?
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• #72136
Because posting the links to it unpaywalled violates terms and don't want to get velocio in trouble
It's 2022 everyone can access paywalled articles in a couple of clicks
If you don't value good journalism you are free to not consume it
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• #72137
Also to try to divert attention away from the mess that boho had got himself into.
100% this. The refugees minister said one week ago that it wasn't happening: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61105696
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• #72138
Its another ill thought out dog-whistle policy from this shower of cunts. Hope that it will never actually happen, but really fuck this cabinet, every single one of the heartless shits.
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• #72139
How does anyone look at the incompetence, corruption, dishonesty, othering, sneering entitlement and general fuckwittery (they are so unrelentingly dim) and think “yep, that speaks to my values”?
(Full disclosure - my family are nice people but all vote Conservative. Which does make me question if they really are nice or just on the surface).
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• #72140
I don't get how the other Tory MP's look at the Cabinet and think, they are the best of us and come out and cheer for them relentlessly
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• #72141
They don’t. I honestly don’t think a lot of them give a shit what the tories do in office.
They only care that the ‘other side’ lost.
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• #72142
So do a large part of mine. Family gatherings are increasingly fractious if anything topical comes up. The elderly parents I can forgive but the younger generation, not so much. Brought up on Thatcher conservatism - it's better for me - and scared of what an alternative government might mean for their personal wealth. Country folk's view are very different.
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• #72143
posting the links to it unpaywalled violates terms
Fair enough, and yeah you’re right, it’s easy to circumvent (FT links: search URL in Google, hit first link; other links try https://archive.ph). But maybe one could put the extra minute in and add a one-sentence précis of the article, as well as the link? Added value and all that.
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• #72144
I kind of (tragically) get my Daily Mail radicalised parents voting for Brexit and loving the far right sentiment because of the shite they read and expose themselves to, but was shocked last Christmas when my brother expressed his adoration for the Tories and Johnson.
He said to me during a heated debate that 'at least you know what you are getting with B@rri$', like that was a fucking good thing.
My wife and I are the only pro-euro, anti-tory voices in our entire family circle and it is utterly depressing.
At work there is a flag waving Brexit voting knob, who gave up his BBC TV license because it was anti-brexit and (as a conversation today revealed) had no idea about the lockdown party charges because he no longer watches the TV and would still vote tory.
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• #72145
There’s certainly plenty about “the unions bringing us to our knees” and “but Corbyn”
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• #72146
Living in Herefordshire, “Country folk's view are very different” has resonance
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• #72147
How does anyone look at the incompetence, corruption, dishonesty, othering, sneering entitlement and general fuckwittery (they are so unrelentingly dim) and think “yep, that speaks to my values”?
The issue is that most people don't but the Tories only need 35% who do.
Of course only a subset of Tory voters think they share the values of the party, but that's all the more to the point.
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• #72149
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• #72150
🇬🇧 New poll. Rwanda deal
All voters
Support 47%
Oppose 26%Labour voters
Support 39%
Oppose 36%Savanta ComRes https://t.co/nISMY4feUD
https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1515255814705008644?t=EW9AXTHKy3819OMS80tYgw&s=19
Utterly disgusted.
Xenophobia and racism have become bigger vote winners than tax cuts. I'm not joking.