• I meet far more growling, snappy, aggressive and unfriendly small and furry dogs that I do bull or guardian breeds

    It's a risk assessment though, an unfriendly, small, furry dog isn't capable of ripping off your arms

    I'm not aware of BSL working anywhere

    http://injuryprevention.bmj.com/content/early/2012/06/29/injuryprev-2012-040389.full.pdf+html
    " A total of 16 urban and rural jurisdictions with pit-bull bans were identified. At the provincial level, there was a significant reduction in DBIH (dog-bite injury hospitalisations) rates from the pre-BSL to post-BSL period"

    People who want status dogs for the wrong reasons will find a way to have them, and move on to another breed if necessary.

    Sure, a bad owner can make any dog bad but there's a reason they're choosing those specific breeds right now, because they have the highest potential for damage.

    This is what worries me about "exotic" breeds like the XL Bully - bred for looks with very little understanding of temperament, sold to vain people with £5K to spare and no experience of owning and looking after a dog

    For what it's worth the American Bully is literally a Pitbull, the United Kennel Club even allows you to cross register as either. https://www.ukcdogs.com/docs/registration-forms/breed-transfer-american-bully.pdf
    And I'd agree that it's bad when people don't know what they're getting or how to properly look after it and that's actually the crux of the whole issue in my mind. The longer people keep denying bull terrier breeds past the longer they'll be walking around unaware they're got a hand grenade on the end of their lead.

    all data on dog bites and attacks is unreliable, not least because most people are incapable of identifying a pit bull properly

    This is such a terrible argument that came out of one study from a shelter in the USA. For one they specifically chose really obscure, highly mixed dogs for the study. And in fact it works against the "pitbulls don't exist" crowd because it shows people would not chalk an attack up to one if they couldn't recognise it, a lot of the results were people not guessing pitbull mix when it was and a lot of bull mixes in shelters in the USA are labeled as Labrador mix or just "mixed breed". Just google any shelter's website.

    I would bet a lot of money that a significant proportion of those 284 were not pits

    This is another part of the cognitive dissonence. People love to say Pitbulls don't really exist because they aren't one specific breed but 4 different ones then also say "that dog wasn't a pit when it doesn't fit their one narrow criteria of what one is despite looking and acting like one.

    The fact that I came close to losing a pup that is not one of the four breeds included in the DDA

    I appreciate that losing your pup would be awful and I wouldn't wish it on anyone, however I'm just going to say it. You got a puppy from someone who's apparently a breeder yet had an unexpected litter, charged you very little money for it, had one returned for being aggressive, and has unknown provinence and you're not at all interested to know if it may have part of a banned or dangerous breed in it.

  • and you're not at all interested to know if it may have part of a banned or dangerous breed in it.

    Maybe i'm getting lost in all this but are you saying that regardless of the DDA check verifying the dog as safe, the owner should still take a DNA test to check if there are any banned or dangerous breeds in the dogs DNA? Are you also saying that it's important for an owner to know how much of a risk there dog might be (due to breed) regardless of the dogs temperament? If a dog is well behaved and has shown no signs of aggression over an extended period do you think an experienced owner should put in new safety measures (muzzle) if they found out it had a dangerous/banned breed in them? Genuine questions, not here to argue.

    We've been considering a DNA test to see if there's any red flags but the advice from our animal behaviourist is that our dogs behaviour is not breed specific but rather a result of her poor treatment and focusing on the breed would not be helpful at this point.

  • The DDA check is just measuring the dog and seeing if it fits the mould they have of what a pitbull / dogo argentina etc look like, it's not exactly a holistic investigation in to the genetic make up of the animal.
    In this particular case you've got a dog which is from a breed already very closely related to the pitbull from unknown parentage, if given the chance wouldn't you want to know if you've potentially got more than you bargained for?

    If a dog is well behaved and has shown no signs of aggression over an extended period do you think an experienced owner should put in new safety measures (muzzle) if they found out it had a dangerous/banned breed in them?

    In a word yes. Pitbulls themselves are known for "snapping" when they reach maturity, there's many, many news articles about the family pet that they'd raised since a puppy one day just deciding to attack it's owner or other family pets after 3+ years. The problem with pitbulls and fighting dogs is they don't growl or show signs of aggression to warn you off, they just attack and don't stop until the thing is dead. If you have a dog that comes from a line of fighting dogs you need to be hyper aware and not put them in a situation where they can do harm.

    4 years old, killed owner

    4 years old

    Here's a little bonus article, we all know dogs that look like those in the picture. Call me when someone posts a similar article and the photo is of someone leading away a Cockerpoo.

    https://metro.co.uk/2021/06/10/norwood-park-blind-family-dog-dies-after-being-mauled-by-pit-bulls-14748264/

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