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Shocking you could meet two unrelated people with viewpoints different from your own, I know.
To put it in even smaller words for you: my point isn't that Russia isn't doing anything wrong, my point is all the western powers are guilty of the same crimes yet Russia is being spun as being uniquely evil for it because it benefits said western powers to frame it as such, and relaxing censorship on images of horrific civilian death is an effective tool to perpetuate that false narrative.
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To put it in even smaller words for you: my point isn't that Russia isn't doing anything wrong, my point is all the western powers are guilty of the same crimes yet Russia is being spun as being uniquely evil for it
That is true, it can come off as whataboutism when talking about how we are equally (if not worse) as bad as Putin.
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Go and fuck yourself. And your ‘smaller words’ comment is an aside.
‘Russia isn’t doing anything wrong’ - are you completely oblivious to the fact that they have invaded another country? To me, this is wrong. The invasion, or perhaps you call it a ‘military operation’ is wrong on every front. I was going to say ‘disregarding the military opposition’ but that’s wrong - the invasion is and has been an attack on the citizens and populace of Ukraine. It’s not been a military vs military confrontation. Russia has demolished towns and cities - who did they expect to kill?
The population of Ukraine seems to around 44 million - Russia has attacked centres of population. I understand that ‘war isn’t fair’ but Russia. Has deliberately attacked civilians. It has not been army vs army in some barren landscape. ‘Normal people’ have been killed.
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It's complicated, but I think there's some truth to what you say. The US probably caused up to a million civilian deaths by provoking and enabling sectarian wars in Iraq, but it was too dangerous for western journalists to observe it, and Iraqis didn't get the sympathy they deserved from us because they were killing each other. It wouldn't surprise me if that was what the Bush administration wanted. Maybe one day we'll find out, when all the documents are declassified. It's hard to rank rhese things, but it could be argued that the US was just as wicked then as Putin is now. Bush, Rumsfeld, Cheney, Blair, Bremer and others should have gone on trial, but they would probably have been acquitted because they would have claimed that they did the best they could, and that Saddam's removal was inevitably going to lead to a civil war, because he'd been stoking sectarian rivalries throughout his rule.
In Syria the West had little control. The main villains were/are Assad, Putin and ISIS. There was a huge amount of coverage of civiian deaths if you watched C4 news. I don't know about the other channels. The West did try to help a great deal, Merkel took in a million refugees, but aid was hampered by Turkey's neverending war with the Kurds. At least Kurdistan finally happened. It's ridden with clan corruption, but it's a start.
And then there's Afghanistan, Vietnam...it's colossal. Mind-boggling.
Are you my ‘friend’ in disguise? You have the same opinion as him. I disagree and I will leave it there before I say something I will regret.