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%~} in reply to @JWestland

They’re ugly and grow far too high for their setting if not pruned.

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JWestland in reply to @%~}

Those ones got to 30 meters, respect.

But many types easily get brown patches and the ones good for wildlife indeed get huge unless topped.

Ugly idk like the look of some, but no room. The neighbours have theirs topped.

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