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  • Im interested i what happens post agreement, specifically to Russia.
    Outside of the terrible human cost of this war the focus is now on stronger ties within Europe and an acceleration of reducing the use of Russian oil/gas.
    Putin has fucked himself and his country, i hope they remain toxic and even more marginalised as they sit there and watch half the world help rebuild and want to do business with Ukraine while his own country sits there with no chance of any further military incursions, a pissed off population and the dawning realisation that nobody outside China, Cuba, Venezuela and India want to buy your shit or do business with you.

    what a legacy.

  • as they sit there and watch half the world help rebuild and want to do business with Ukraine

    I'm afraid that might be one of the main reasons they invaded - they just can't see democracies flourish right next to them, especially when they were on the same page not long ago.

    Ex soviet countries doing well most probably is bigger threat to Putin's regime than anything else.

    I'm afraid they dragged Ukraine back to dirt eradicating decades of development and economic growth but I hope I'm wrong.

    I'm also afraid they won't leave it alone - they'll keep on poking it or destabilise it by creating some internal conflicts amongst folk to point them away from the EU and western values.

    That's what they've been doing quite successfully in Lithuania - there's been a movement to protest against pretty much anything but the people are always the same and the point is always that the west and their values are rotten, we need to exit eu and so on and so on.

  • I'm afraid that might be one of the main reasons they invaded - they just can't see democracies flourish right next to them, especially when they were on the same page not long ago.

    Ex soviet countries doing well most probably is bigger threat to Putin's regime than anything else.

    Possibly to most of this. These are not new ideas (there aren't many), and there may be elements of them in Putin's mind, but the "used to be on the same page" is almost certainly a potent factor. Much of Ukraine's post-USSR history is not pleasant; a familiar tale of a big chunk of the population being decent people hoping for and trying to reach a better future, thwarted by the extraordinary corruption of another chunk; that corruption aided by the Nelson's Eye of so many in other countries.

    Absolutely every single player has been completely wrong-footed and that means chaos - indefinitely.

  • It’s not a purge!
    It’s self purification.

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