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  • FT reporting a tentaive neutrality plan has been drawn up: https://www.ft.com/content/7b341e46-d375-4817-be67-802b7fa77ef1

    Sorry, paywalled got the link of twitter and there wasn't a paywall: https://twitter.com/FinancialTimes/status/1504098983895080965

    Ukraine and Russia have made significant progress on a tentative 15-point peace plan including a ceasefire and Russian withdrawal if
    Kyiv declares neutrality and accepts limits on its armed forces,
    according to three people involved in the talks.

    The proposed deal, which Ukrainian and Russian negotiators discussed
    in full for the first time on Monday, would involve Kyiv renouncing
    its ambitions to join Nato and promising not to host foreign military
    bases or weaponry in exchange for protection from allies such as the
    US, UK and Turkey, the people said.

    The nature of western guarantees for Ukrainian security — and their
    acceptability to Moscow — could yet prove to be a big obstacle to any
    deal, as could the status of Ukrainian territories seized by Russia
    and its proxies in 2014. A 1994 agreement underpinning Ukrainian
    security failed to prevent Russian aggression against its neighbour.

    Although Moscow and Kyiv both said that they had made progress on the
    terms of a deal, Ukrainian officials remain sceptical Russian
    president Vladimir Putin is fully committed to peace and worry that
    Moscow could be buying time to regroup its forces and resume its
    offensive. Putin showed no sign of compromise on Wednesday, vowing
    Moscow would achieve all of its war aims in Ukraine.

    “We will never allow Ukraine to become a stronghold of aggressive
    actions against our country,” he said.

    Mykhailo Podolyak, a senior adviser to Ukrainian president Volodymyr
    Zelensky, told the Financial Times that any deal would involve “the
    troops of the Russian Federation in any case leaving the territory of
    Ukraine” captured since the invasion began on February 24 — namely
    southern regions along the Azov and Black seas, as well as territory
    to the east and north of Kyiv.

    Ukraine would maintain its armed forces but would be obliged to stay
    outside military alliances such as Nato and refrain from hosting
    foreign military bases on its territory.

    Putin’s press secretary Dmitry Peskov told reporters on Wednesday that
    neutrality for Ukraine based on the status of Austria or Sweden was a
    possibility.

    “This option is really being discussed now, and is one that can be
    considered neutral,” said Peskov.

    Sergei Lavrov, Russia’s foreign minister, said that “absolutely
    specific wordings” were “close to being agreed” in the negotiations.

    Despite the progress in peace talks, Ukrainian cities came under heavy
    shelling for a third consecutive night while Kyiv said it was
    launching a counter-offensive against Russian invaders.

    In a virtual address to members of Congress on Wednesday, Zelensky
    pleaded for the US to enforce a no-fly zone or provide fighter jets or
    other means to fend off Russia’s attack on his country, and impose
    harsher economic sanctions on Moscow.

    In a dramatic appeal, Zelensky said Ukraine needed America’s support
    after Russia had launched a “brutal offensive against our values”. He
    called on Americans to remember the attacks on Pearl Harbor and of
    September 2001 and showed a searing video of the missile attacks and
    shelling destroying Ukrainian cities.

    Though Ukraine’s constitution commits it to seek membership of Nato,
    Zelensky and his aides have increasingly played down Ukraine’s chances
    of joining the transatlantic military alliance, a prospect that Russia
    sees as a provocation. Volodymyr Zelensky, pictured on a screen,
    addresses the US Congress on Wednesday US Congress members applaud
    during Zelensky’s virtual address on Wednesday © Scott
    Applewhite/Pool/AP

    “There is no effective system of European security now, which would be
    moderated by Nato. As soon as a serious war began in Europe, Nato
    quickly stepped aside,” Podolyak said.

    “We propose a ‘Ukrainian model of security guarantees’, which implies
    the immediate and legally verified participation of a number of
    guarantor countries in the conflict on the side of Ukraine, if someone
    again encroaches on its territorial integrity,” he added.

    Ukraine, Podolyak added, would as part of any deal “definitely retain
    its own army”. He also played down the significance of a ban on
    foreign bases in Ukraine, saying that was already precluded by
    Ukrainian law.

    Two of the people said the putative deal also included provisions on
    enshrining rights for the Russian language in Ukraine, where it is
    widely spoken though Ukrainian is the only official language. Russia
    has framed its invasion as an attempt to protect Russian speakers in
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    Podolyak said “humanitarian issues, including language issues, are
    discussed only through the prism of Ukraine’s exclusive interests”.

    The biggest sticking point remains Russia’s demand that Ukraine
    recognise its 2014 annexation of Crimea and the independence of two
    separatist statelets in the eastern Donbas border region.

    Ukraine has so far refused but was willing to compartmentalise the
    issue, Podolyak said.

    “Disputed and conflict territories [are] in a separate case. So far,
    we are talking about a guaranteed withdrawal from the territories that
    have been occupied since the start of the military operation on
    February 24,” when Russia’s invasion began, he said.

    Turkey’s foreign minister Mevlut Cavusoglu, whose nation has sought to
    play a role as a mediator in the conflict, echoed hopes that
    negotiations could bear fruit after a meeting with Lavrov.

    “I’m not going to go into the details on behalf of the two countries
    but I know that there are convergences between them,” Cavusoglu said.

    However, UK defence minister Ben Wallace expressed scepticism about
    Russia’s commitment to diplomacy.

    “There is a massive information campaign going on in this conflict,
    this war, and certainly when it comes to Russia you need to judge them
    on their actions and not on their numerous words.”

    Additional reporting by Laura Pitel in Ankara and Henry Foy in
    Brussels

  • Russia guaranteed Ukrainian territorial integrity once before.
    Russia=scumbag who can’t be trusted

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