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That, for the Ukranian people, is the trap they could fall into. Essentially that involes the West using them as pawns to be sacrificed to extract concessions from the Russians.
It's also possible that they have the ability to think for themselves, don't want to occupied by Russia, and would rather fight than surrender. If the people of Ukraine ask for assistance it would be patronising in the extreme to tell them that this isn't really want they want.
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It's also possible that they have the ability to think for themselves, don't want to occupied by Russia, and would rather fight than surrender. If the people of Ukraine ask for assistance it would be patronising in the extreme to tell them that this isn't really want they want.
Which people? Zelensky and his associates are asking for help to enable them to fight more effectively but we don't know what the average Ukranian wants because no-one is asking them.
But there was some fascinating polling the other day from the US. It showed that, the more you earned the keener you were on war. The poorer people, who were likely to have to do the actual fighting, the dying, the losing their families, their homes and their livelihoods, etc are not very keen on it at all. Why would it be different in Ukraine?
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If the people of Ukraine ask for assistance
What do we do if the people of Palestine ask for assistance? Or the people of Yemen?
What we do is ignore them and sell arms to the people who are opressing them and killing them. We, or more precisely, our government, has a choice when it is asked to do something and it exercises it based on what it thinks is our, or its, interest.
There is no grand principal of helping the opressed to fight back against a bully and there never has been.
The UK practically used the freedom to choose how to respond based on pure self-interest without any discernible principle as the main plank of its foreign policy for a hundred years up to the start of the first world war. 'Perfidious Albion', etc - because the French in particular, whenever they did anything to try to contain the threat they saw from Germany, never knew whether we were going to support them or oppose them.
frank9755
That, for the Ukranian people, is the trap they could fall into. Essentially that involes the West using them as pawns to be sacrificed to extract concessions from the Russians.