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Found this post on r/ukraine that I thought was worth a read re escalation, NATO, china etc
https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/t6ggx2/stop_advocating_for_a_nato_direct_attack_you_do/
It's more about tactics, both political and military. If NATO and the Allies fall for Putin's provocations it's exactly what he is looking for, it will give immediately pretext to declare war on NATO and the Allies and China to jump in the conflict. By playing the defensive card and non-direct intervention, NATO is basically writing history as we speak and changing the discourse in favor of public opinion.
kboy-
Cheers for this! I think I largely understand their sentiment and generally think they're right about NATO's avoidance. But it's a weird take in a way - the writer makes it sound like the west is itching for a fight, but don't want to be the ones to start it. Not sure I'm into that part.
Good outcomes involve negotiation ASAP and Russia withdrawing straight away. I don't know that it matters anything like as much to the average person in Ukraine exactly what the terms of the peace are, as that it comes quickly.
@frank9755 Yeah it's quite hard to imagine what the preference would be, or even if there is one overriding opnion amongst Ukranians. The strength of resistance (including civilians) suggests to me that acceptable terms of peace wouldn't give too much, if anything, to Putin/Russia. But who knows how long that opinion (if held) would last.
tyeness
Yeah it does seem like some people have interpreted any call for de-escalation to mean "Ukraine should stop resisting".
In Corbyn's piece there I didn't detect any desire for Ukraine to stand down. Instead the concern seems to be over direct action from NATO escalating the situation.
In fact he makes a point that total occupation of Ukraine would be the worst outcome. But I suppose that's where the argument over how best to prevent that starts.
(Eta that what I'm getting at is that it's hard to pick the nuance out of what's being said at the moment. I don't really have a position on whether NATO should be involved directly or not)