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  • Measure them? Measure the top tube length and then the stem and then the bars. Compare.

    Are you using same saddle and seatpost? Might also help to run a tape measure from saddle nose to centre of bars because less steep angles might have saddle further back relative to the BB. You might have saddle in diff position or a setback post and combined with longer stem at a different angle, blah blah, could be lots of variables.

  • I've measured these and the Standert and Dale have the same distance from nose of saddle to the centre of bars, bars on Standert though are a lot lower than the saddle height as expected from an aggressive frame than the Dale

  • Set the bikes up identically.

    Get saddle height and setback first and then adjust the bar height and reach with respect to the saddle the same.

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