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  • In terms of STW, I know we went over this ground last week, but I can't reconcile how they believe Ukraine should be entitled to "self-determination", but it should also be barred from seeking to join international organisations.

    We did go over this. And I'll make this point again: No one is barring them from seeking to join. The position is that no one has a sovereign right to be a member of Nato (or any other international organisation). This is a position shared by many people on the left and the right and the centre. It is a sane position. It is not a position unique to STW.

    But that's a different conversation. You claimed there are people on the "far left" who don't "recognise the people of Ukraine have a right to self determination" and think Ukraine should "simply accept being a vassal state of Putin." I don't think this is a particularly widespread view and it's annoying to keep reading it spewed as fact.

  • Where do you get off deciding whether or not Ukraine can join NATO?

    Really. What gives you that right?

    I don't have that right and I'm not claiming that I do?

  • I think he's saying that its a decision for the members to take, not sovereign right to part of it. Like the EU.

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