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In terms of STW, I know we went over this ground last week, but I can't reconcile how they believe Ukraine should be entitled to "self-determination", but it should also be barred from seeking to join international organisations.
We did go over this. And I'll make this point again: No one is barring them from seeking to join. The position is that no one has a sovereign right to be a member of Nato (or any other international organisation). This is a position shared by many people on the left and the right and the centre. It is a sane position. It is not a position unique to STW.
But that's a different conversation. You claimed there are people on the "far left" who don't "recognise the people of Ukraine have a right to self determination" and think Ukraine should "simply accept being a vassal state of Putin." I don't think this is a particularly widespread view and it's annoying to keep reading it spewed as fact.
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If you look at my post I said the far left, not the left. I'm not going to produce a list, but George Monbiot hit the nail on the head in this thread:
https://twitter.com/GeorgeMonbiot/status/1497511988322258948
I will give you one example - Richard Medhurst.
In terms of STW, I know we went over this ground last week, but I can't reconcile how they believe Ukraine should be entitled to "self-determination", but it should also be barred from seeking to join international organisations.
Just while you are jumping on me, can I ask why it is ok to call Keir Starmer "a brazenly hawkish flag shagger", as was written in the post I responded to and that started this dialogue? Is that temperate language? What have I said about anyone that is worse than that?