Russian invasion of Ukraine

That seems to have been repeated on twitter/telegram again today. I guess Chernobyl and area don't usually have that many heavy vehicles in a year, let alone a day.

But they wouldn’t be ‘out already’ - AIUI the ‘continuous at-sea deterrent’ means that only one sub is on patrol at a time. The second is preparing to take over the next patrol, the third may be in deep maintenance, and the fourth is in routine maintenance following a completed patrol.

Occasionally you hear reference to the idea that they could fire their missiles ‘from the quayside’ at Faslane, but I’ve never heard of multiple boats being out at once operationally (except to change place on patrol).

More than happy to read any contrary evidence, this is a subject I’m interested in.

Large amount of troops and strikes being launched from Belarus, will Russian troops ever leave when this is over?

No

But they wouldn’t be ‘out already’ - AIUI the ‘continual at-sea deterrent’, means that only one sub is on patrol at a time. The second is preparing to take over the next patrol, the third may be in deep maintenance, and the fourth is in routine maintenance following a completed patrol.

Occasionally you hear reference to the idea that they could fire their missiles ‘from the quayside’ at Faslane, but I’ve never heard of multiple boats being out at once operationally (except to change place on patrol).

More than happy to read any contrary evidence, this is a subject I’m interested in.

There are unconfirmed (unconfirmed by the MoD) reports that some fishermen saw a near miss between a small Royal Navy vessel and a semi submerged submarine on the Clyde three days ago. Not saying this because I think it proves anything, just find it interesting.

My understanding was that one sub is on continual patrol and another can be deployed as required. Sounds like you know a lot more than me though.

Don't have a link soz, but back when Putin got formal approval to extend his reign to last until 2036 there were someone arguing quite coherently that he most likely imagined himself the second Catherine the Great. To get one up on her he would have to outlast her time on the throne but also, at the very least, annex Belarus and Ukraine.
Hitler was obsessed with Julius Caesar and could justify his actions with a thousand year perspective. Personally I think it's plausible that Putin is doing the same with Catherine the Great. What does breaking a few eggs matter when you're setting Moscow up for a glorious future that will last for eternity.

Yeh, Newsnight had a segment the other night on how Putin has retreated into his faith and own interpretation of history and for it to fit in with his view of what a strong united Russia looks like, it was essential to have Kiev integrated as the Mother of Russian cities

They showed some Churches where some historical figures are buried and said you could expect that to be one of the first places Putin visits if they take Kiev

might be that people saw an attack sub (astute/trafalgar class) leave and assumed that meant another trident sub on the way out?

I found this useful: https://acoup.blog/2022/02/25/miscellanea-understanding-the-war-in-ukraine/

Not because it's particularly insightful, but it shores up with citations some things I'd observed in the last few years and hadn't thought to keep references for.

Also what springs to mind is a conversation reported when David Cameron was Prime Minister where Putin had been shocked that the UK might allow part of the country to choose to be a separate country (it was when the Scottish referendum thing was happening) - Putin's view in response to DC saying yes they would respect the outcome was incredulity and to say that Russia would not allow part of the country to try that and they would have an armed response.

That's somewhat relevant as along with the revisionist history that Ukraine was always part of Russia, never wanted to be a separate country, and was an intrinsic borderland... this is Putin's view... that a part of the country cannot ever not be part of the country.

might be that people saw an attack sub (astute/trafalgar class) leave and assumed that meant another trident sub on the way out?

Good point

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/05/vladimir-putin-passes-law-that-may-keep-him-in-office-until-2036

Hands up how many of you have friends and family that have worked in the base?

Just for the record as you can’t see me, my hands are down.

Is it just me or has the Russia Report that was released a few years ago about Russian interference in UK politics disappeared? I can only find a google drive link to it and that doesn't seem to work.

https://isc.independent.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/CCS207_CCS0221966010-001_Russia-Report-v02-Web_Accessible.pdf

used for nuclear waste storage

That's one way of putting it

Hands up how many of you have friends and family that haved worked in the base?

Be careful. If they told you/them that a nuclear sub deployed they could face prison time.

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Cheers, you're clearly better at finding this shit than me.

Putin has gone too far for Formula 1 which must be a milestone in their ethical approach to race venues.

Video of dump trucks filled with crates of guns being handed out to citizens in Kyiv is proper "things you see in the movies" stuff

My knowledge relates to Polaris days, but one (of the four) boats was always at sea at any given time. Others could be deployed, assuming they were in sea going condition, if and when required.

My hand is up.

Watching Vigil was an interesting depth into this (abet a mite fictional).

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Does you reading comprehension extend to being able to understand tenses?

I don't think you understood my reply. But never mind.

Hands very much down!